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From: Unknown on 11 Jul 2010 16:23 Good grief! Do you know what the correct time of day is? I ran one (about five years ago) at about 2:00 PM. Thank goodness for system restore. "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:doydnWEPYOLrv6fRnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > That's just because THEY didn't run it at the right time of the day. > What's the matter with you? It takes skill to know what time of the day > is best. :-) > > Unknown wrote: >> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of >> computers being rendered inoperative >> by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner >> has caused damage. >> >> "Incognitus" <in(a)ccurate.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i1chmc$875$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> On 07/10/2010 10:03 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> >>>> Eddie wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, >>>>>> boosted, >>>>>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read >>>>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi [PA], >>>>> >>>>> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and >>>>> also >>>>> your affiliation toward ms products. >>>>> >>>>> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an >>>>> excerpt >>>>> from the link you posted re: O/P. >>>>> ------\/ >>>>> >>>>> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at >>>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's >>>>> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm. >>>>> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare >>>>> registry cleaner >>>>> >>>>> Here's why: >>>>> >>>>> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and >>>>> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a >>>>> key >>>>> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along >>>>> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry >>>>> cleaner completely hose systems." >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in >>>>> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it >>>>> is >>>>> written by M/S) >>>>> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see >>>>> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and >>>>> especially >>>>> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and >>>>> software and blah blah. >>>> <snip> >>>>> What do you reckon? >>>> >>>> A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's >>>> most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;" >>>> e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties). >>>> >>>> I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for >>>> misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing >>>> began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if >>>> you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.) >>>> >>>> The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's >>>> (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is >>>> MS's >>>> online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full >>>> Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started >>>> causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been), >>>> so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due >>>> to MVP pressure): >>>> http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868 >>>> >>>> While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm), >>>> the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all. >>>> >>>> The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7 >>>> is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection >>>> scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm. >>>> >>>> Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services >>>> Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005: >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, a very sore subject! >>> >>> Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm >>> >>> The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is >>> removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever." >>> >>> and >>> >>> "Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating >>> system or software it's gone along with your program or operating >>> system." >>> >>> are not true. >>> >>> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application >>> Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup >>> >>> is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with >>> XML Documentation are stored. >>> >>> Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using >>> them >>> that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted >>> above. >>> >>> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder. > >
From: Nil on 11 Jul 2010 16:58 On 11 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: > Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this > newsgroup of computers being rendered inoperative > by the user running a registry cleaner. Fact or opinion? I'd like to see you to find "hundreds" of such posts.
From: Unknown on 11 Jul 2010 17:07 Absolute fact. If you have been monitoring this news group for the last six years you would know that. Registry cleaners have been labeled 'snake oil'. I personally had a problem with a registry cleaner and will not use one ever again. "Nil" <rednoise(a)REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9DB2AC9B1CC04nilch1(a)130.133.4.11... > On 11 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in > microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: > >> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this >> newsgroup of computers being rendered inoperative >> by the user running a registry cleaner. > > Fact or opinion? I'd like to see you to find "hundreds" of such posts.
From: Bill in Co on 11 Jul 2010 17:12 Nil wrote: > On 11 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in > microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: > >> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this >> newsgroup of computers being rendered inoperative >> by the user running a registry cleaner. > > Fact or opinion? I'd like to see you to find "hundreds" of such posts. If you have been monitoring these newsgroups (including Win98) over several years, you will recall that there indeed have been MANY such posts (although not all "rendered inoperative", but indeed having resulting isssue and problems as a consquence of running them, with some being quite serious).
From: Nil on 11 Jul 2010 19:06
On 11 Jul 2010, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon(a)earthlink.net> wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: > If you have been monitoring these newsgroups (including Win98) > over several years, you will recall that there indeed have been > MANY such posts (although not all "rendered inoperative", but > indeed having resulting isssue and problems as a consquence of > running them, with some being quite serious). I have, and there are some such posts. But not even close to "hundreds". |