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From: harald on 29 Jun 2010 17:55 On Jun 29, 11:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 3:10 pm, va...(a)icmf.inf.cu wrote: > > > > > If those are not valid inertial systems for you, how can you justify > > their presence in the first 1905 Relativity paper? Strange way to > > accept that their roles cant be interchanged. > > I don't think it *should* have been in the 1905 paper. Einstein was > trying to do something here, and he made a good shot at it, but it's > got its problems. No, there is no problem, as Einstein succinctly showed and I explained to you and Raphael with much more elaboration several weeks ago. The main point was that he didn't do the unwarranted things that Raphael and you think he did. Regards, Harald > Keep in mind that the "twin paradox" that this is a > variant of was not formulated, nor its resolution clearly laid out, > until 1911. Einstein didn't even really start thinking about general > relativity until well after the 1905 paper, and it wasn't until he did > that the example he was using here would be correctly treated. > > There's a danger in thinking that papers are complete and perfect as > they are. Very often they present hunches, or incomplete thoughts, or > sometimes conclusions that are correct but for wrong or incomplete > reasons -- especially if they are fair leaps. > > PD
From: BURT on 29 Jun 2010 22:06 On Jun 29, 2:55 pm, harald <h...(a)swissonline.ch> wrote: > On Jun 29, 11:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 29, 3:10 pm, va...(a)icmf.inf.cu wrote: > > > > If those are not valid inertial systems for you, how can you justify > > > their presence in the first 1905 Relativity paper? Strange way to > > > accept that their roles cant be interchanged. > > > I don't think it *should* have been in the 1905 paper. Einstein was > > trying to do something here, and he made a good shot at it, but it's > > got its problems. > > No, there is no problem, as Einstein succinctly showed and I explained > to you and Raphael with much more elaboration several weeks ago. The > main point was that he didn't do the unwarranted things that Raphael > and you think he did. > > Regards, > Harald > > > > > Keep in mind that the "twin paradox" that this is a > > variant of was not formulated, nor its resolution clearly laid out, > > until 1911. Einstein didn't even really start thinking about general > > relativity until well after the 1905 paper, and it wasn't until he did > > that the example he was using here would be correctly treated. > > > There's a danger in thinking that papers are complete and perfect as > > they are. Very often they present hunches, or incomplete thoughts, or > > sometimes conclusions that are correct but for wrong or incomplete > > reasons -- especially if they are fair leaps. > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Einstein did not note that relative motion is always in the opposite direction; even the Sun for the turning Earth. Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 30 Jun 2010 00:00 On Jun 29, 8:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 11:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aether pressure" relates to Stokes ether theory. Incompatible with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the state of the former is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are amenable to law in the form of differential equations; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas the state of the Lorentzian ether in the absence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic fields is conditioned by nothing outside itself, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is everywhere the same." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you don't understand what he says there. I'll spell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it out for you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of Lorentz" corresponds to SRT: for it's the ONLY ether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is compatible with it. Dragged ether is NOT compatible with SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of the general theory of relativity" has as additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature that its state is conditioned by the presence of matter. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature is LACKING in SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you choose to believe Einstein contradicts himself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contradiction here, except if he would claim - as you want to have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it - that a Stokes ether is compatible with SRT.. Instead he refers to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ether of Lorentz. Your ether is not compatible at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein, an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > University of Leyden.'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you miss the "as opposed to"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I emphasized that point too: it's the difference between GRT and > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT, which you missed. Don't you know that this thread is about SRT > > > > > > > > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are suggesting Einstein thought there was no ether in SR but > > > > > > > > > > > Again no. As you cannot understand anything of what I say, it's not > > > > > > > > > > surprising that you don't understand anything of what Einstein said. > > > > > > > > > > > > there was a Lorentz ether in GR even thought Einstein said, "the ether > > > > > > > > > > > of the general theory of relativity AS OPPOSED TO the ether of Lorentz > > > > > > > > > > > consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously you don't have a clue what he was talking about; but worse, > > > > > > > > > > neither do you really want to know, nor do you want to read any other > > > > > > > > > > sentences. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, even though Einstein said, "According to the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > relativity space without ether is unthinkable" you are suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said there was no ether in SR? > > > > > > > > > > > For a last time (yes I know, to deaf ears), Einstein indicated that > > > > > > > > > > the ether of SR corresponds to the Lorentz ether. But you don't have a > > > > > > > > > > clue what the difference is between your ether and that of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said, "the ether of the general theory of relativity as > > > > > > > > > opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > What part of 'as opposed to' are you unable to understand? Einstein is > > > > > > > > > saying the ether of General Relativity is not the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > You are stating Einstein said the ether of SR is the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > Do you really believe Einstein chose to believe in two ethers, one for > > > > > > > > > SR and one for GR? > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places ... > > > > > > > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck - you need it! > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of, "the state of the former is at every place determined by > > > > > > > > > > > connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring > > > > > > > > > > > places" are you unable to understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Einstein's Relativity will be replaced with absolute space and motion > > > > > > > > of matter and light in it; with light being the speed limit.. There is > > > > > > > > an absolute space frame for all motion. > > > > > > > > You can move behind light or leave it behind in space by your motion. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > The space frame is the state of the aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > How does it flow? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Even if it does, I agree with Einstein that it can not be known if the > > > > > aether consists of particle which can be separately tracked through > > > > > time. > > > > > > This means matter 'flows' through the aether. > > > > > > It is better described as the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > > The material is maether. > > > > > Maether has mass. > > > > > Aether and matter have mass. > > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > > The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced aether. > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter. > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Please stop following Einstein around. You have an inferior aether. > > > > And you even use his work for self agrandizement. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places ... > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Does aether displace matter in fall? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Aether and matter both have mass. Matter displaces aether whether the > matter is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. Aether is > displaced based on mass per volume. The more massive an object is per > volume the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces. The > more aether there is displaced the more aether there is 'displacing > back'. The more aether there is 'displacing back' the greater the > pressure exerted by the displaced aether. The greater the pressure > exerted by the displaced aether the greater the gravity. Yes but how can aether being displaced cause freefall? What is space? Space has no mass. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 30 Jun 2010 00:01 On Jun 30, 12:00 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 8:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 29, 11:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aether pressure" relates to Stokes ether theory. Incompatible with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the state of the former is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are amenable to law in the form of differential equations; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas the state of the Lorentzian ether in the absence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic fields is conditioned by nothing outside itself, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is everywhere the same." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you don't understand what he says there. I'll spell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it out for you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of Lorentz" corresponds to SRT: for it's the ONLY ether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is compatible with it. Dragged ether is NOT compatible with SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of the general theory of relativity" has as additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature that its state is conditioned by the presence of matter. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature is LACKING in SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you choose to believe Einstein contradicts himself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contradiction here, except if he would claim - as you want to have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it - that a Stokes ether is compatible with SRT. Instead he refers to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ether of Lorentz. Your ether is not compatible at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein, an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > University of Leyden.'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you miss the "as opposed to"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I emphasized that point too: it's the difference between GRT and > > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT, which you missed. Don't you know that this thread is about SRT > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are suggesting Einstein thought there was no ether in SR but > > > > > > > > > > > > Again no. As you cannot understand anything of what I say, it's not > > > > > > > > > > > surprising that you don't understand anything of what Einstein said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > there was a Lorentz ether in GR even thought Einstein said, "the ether > > > > > > > > > > > > of the general theory of relativity AS OPPOSED TO the ether of Lorentz > > > > > > > > > > > > consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously you don't have a clue what he was talking about; but worse, > > > > > > > > > > > neither do you really want to know, nor do you want to read any other > > > > > > > > > > > sentences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, even though Einstein said, "According to the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity space without ether is unthinkable" you are suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said there was no ether in SR? > > > > > > > > > > > > For a last time (yes I know, to deaf ears), Einstein indicated that > > > > > > > > > > > the ether of SR corresponds to the Lorentz ether. But you don't have a > > > > > > > > > > > clue what the difference is between your ether and that of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said, "the ether of the general theory of relativity as > > > > > > > > > > opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > What part of 'as opposed to' are you unable to understand? Einstein is > > > > > > > > > > saying the ether of General Relativity is not the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > You are stating Einstein said the ether of SR is the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really believe Einstein chose to believe in two ethers, one for > > > > > > > > > > SR and one for GR? > > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places ... > > > > > > > > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > > > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck - you need it! > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of, "the state of the former is at every place determined by > > > > > > > > > > > > connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring > > > > > > > > > > > > places" are you unable to understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's Relativity will be replaced with absolute space and motion > > > > > > > > > of matter and light in it; with light being the speed limit. There is > > > > > > > > > an absolute space frame for all motion. > > > > > > > > > You can move behind light or leave it behind in space by your motion. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > The space frame is the state of the aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > How does it flow? > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Even if it does, I agree with Einstein that it can not be known if the > > > > > > aether consists of particle which can be separately tracked through > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > This means matter 'flows' through the aether. > > > > > > > It is better described as the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > > > The material is maether. > > > > > > Maether has mass. > > > > > > Aether and matter have mass. > > > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > > > The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced aether. > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter. > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Please stop following Einstein around. You have an inferior aether. > > > > > And you even use his work for self agrandizement. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places .... > > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Does aether displace matter in fall? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Aether and matter both have mass. Matter displaces aether whether the > > matter is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. Aether is > > displaced based on mass per volume. The more massive an object is per > > volume the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces. The > > more aether there is displaced the more aether there is 'displacing > > back'. The more aether there is 'displacing back' the greater the > > pressure exerted by the displaced aether. The greater the pressure > > exerted by the displaced aether the greater the gravity. > > Yes but how can aether being displaced cause freefall? > > What is space? Space has no mass. > > Mitch Raemsch Aether and matter are different states of the same material. The material is maether. Maether has mass. Aether and matter have mass. Aether is displaced by matter. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced aether. Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter.
From: BURT on 30 Jun 2010 00:06
On Jun 29, 9:01 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 12:00 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 29, 8:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 29, 11:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Aether pressure" relates to Stokes ether theory. Incompatible with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter which is the Earth. This means the aether is less connected to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Earth where the airplanes fly in the 'Hafele and Keating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiment' than it is to the surface of the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the state of the former is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are amenable to law in the form of differential equations; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas the state of the Lorentzian ether in the absence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > electromagnetic fields is conditioned by nothing outside itself, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is everywhere the same." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you don't understand what he says there. I'll spell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it out for you: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of Lorentz" corresponds to SRT: for it's the ONLY ether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is compatible with it. Dragged ether is NOT compatible with SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the "ether of the general theory of relativity" has as additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature that its state is conditioned by the presence of matter. That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature is LACKING in SRT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you choose to believe Einstein contradicts himself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No contradiction here, except if he would claim - as you want to have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it - that a Stokes ether is compatible with SRT. Instead he refers to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ether of Lorentz. Your ether is not compatible at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein, an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > University of Leyden.'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is fundamentally new in the ether of the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity as opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you miss the "as opposed to"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I emphasized that point too: it's the difference between GRT and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SRT, which you missed. Don't you know that this thread is about SRT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are suggesting Einstein thought there was no ether in SR but > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again no. As you cannot understand anything of what I say, it's not > > > > > > > > > > > > surprising that you don't understand anything of what Einstein said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there was a Lorentz ether in GR even thought Einstein said, "the ether > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the general theory of relativity AS OPPOSED TO the ether of Lorentz > > > > > > > > > > > > > consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously you don't have a clue what he was talking about; but worse, > > > > > > > > > > > > neither do you really want to know, nor do you want to read any other > > > > > > > > > > > > sentences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, even though Einstein said, "According to the general theory of > > > > > > > > > > > > > relativity space without ether is unthinkable" you are suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said there was no ether in SR? > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a last time (yes I know, to deaf ears), Einstein indicated that > > > > > > > > > > > > the ether of SR corresponds to the Lorentz ether. But you don't have a > > > > > > > > > > > > clue what the difference is between your ether and that of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein said, "the ether of the general theory of relativity as > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to the ether of Lorentz consists in this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of 'as opposed to' are you unable to understand? Einstein is > > > > > > > > > > > saying the ether of General Relativity is not the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are stating Einstein said the ether of SR is the ether of Lorentz. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really believe Einstein chose to believe in two ethers, one for > > > > > > > > > > > SR and one for GR? > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places ... > > > > > > > > > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > > > > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck - you need it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of, "the state of the former is at every place determined by > > > > > > > > > > > > > connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring > > > > > > > > > > > > > places" are you unable to understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's Relativity will be replaced with absolute space and motion > > > > > > > > > > of matter and light in it; with light being the speed limit. There is > > > > > > > > > > an absolute space frame for all motion. > > > > > > > > > > You can move behind light or leave it behind in space by your motion. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > The space frame is the state of the aether.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > How does it flow? > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Even if it does, I agree with Einstein that it can not be known if the > > > > > > > aether consists of particle which can be separately tracked through > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > This means matter 'flows' through the aether. > > > > > > > > It is better described as the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > > > > The material is maether. > > > > > > > Maether has mass. > > > > > > > Aether and matter have mass. > > > > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > > > > The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.. > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced aether.. > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter. > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > > > aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Please stop following Einstein around. You have an inferior aether. > > > > > > And you even use his work for self agrandizement. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html > > > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places ... > > > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state". > > > > > > The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the > > > > > matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the > > > > > aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Does aether displace matter in fall? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Aether and matter both have mass. Matter displaces aether whether the > > > matter is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. Aether is > > > displaced based on mass per volume. The more massive an object is per > > > volume the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces. The > > > more aether there is displaced the more aether there is 'displacing > > > back'. The more aether there is 'displacing back' the greater the > > > pressure exerted by the displaced aether. The greater the pressure > > > exerted by the displaced aether the greater the gravity. > > > Yes but how can aether being displaced cause freefall? > > > What is space? Space has no mass. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > The material is maether. > Maether has mass. > Aether and matter have mass. > Aether is displaced by matter. > The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced aether. > Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced aether towards matter. Do you know that you never have the ability to respond to me? Mitch Raemsch |