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From: nntp on 21 Jun 2010 16:35 What is Happening? This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin discontinuing newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. Why? As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, the traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the past several years while customers and participants are increasingly finding solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. This move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it easier for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies and make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by encouraging a healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft will begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums technology and discontinue support for newsgroups. In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for those users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP Bridge which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to the forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP reader functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up the NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ Which Newsgroups Are Affected by this Shutdown? All public newsgroups will eventually be closed between June 1, 2010 and October 1, 2010. Microsoft will be closing newsgroups in a phased approach, starting with the least active newsgroups and moving eventually to more active ones throughout the course of the next six months. Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? Effective July 1, 2010, this newsgroup will be closed. In an effort to enhance and improve your experience, this newsgroup is scheduled for closure in the upcoming months and we would like to invite you to participate at http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads forum(s). An exact date will be posted in advance as plans are finalized. Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx Who Should I Contact with any Questions? Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to NNTP(a)microsoft.com
From: Giovanni Dicanio on 22 Jun 2010 17:37 On 22/06/2010 19:11, Cameron_C wrote: > Thanks Joe. > I have only been surfing this newsgroup for two or three years, but it has > been invaluable at times. > I have to admit that I am worried/concerned/nervous about the imminent > demise of the group. Someone told that it is possible to use alternative news servers (like eternal-september) instead of the official Microsoft msnews to access this newsgroup. But it's not clear to me if this newsgroup can be still accessible once Microsoft drops it after July 1st... However, I do hope that Joe gets the Community Bridge (or Hector Santos' Bridge or whatever bridge) and joins the MFC/ATL Forum. > Has the traffic to this newsgroup truly been steadily declining over the > years? You can read Google statistics here: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/about The number of posts are not those of the late 1990's or early 2000's (until about 2002-2003). Probably with the introduction of .NET and C# (Visual Studio .NET 2003 was the first version to support C#), several developers went to managed code. And if you consider the month of March: 1999: 6,719 posts 2000: 6,098 posts 2001: 5,696 posts 2005: 2,501 posts 2007: 3,051 posts 2008: 2,077 posts 2009: 939 posts 2010: 1,702 posts So, there is a decline, but I don't think that it is due to people going to the Web-based forums :) I may be wrong, but I think it is due to people using different technologies. > Are fewer resources moving into the MFC arena? Don't know. > Is Microsoft committed to supporting MFC? I think so. Note that there were improvements in MFC in VS2010 (e.g. new features in support of Windows 7 specific UI elements, like tabbed thumbnails, etc.) > Is it time to consider migrating away from MFC? If you have large MFC code bases I think it is just fine to continue developing in C++ and MFC. Why throwing away $$$ of investments in working stable code? > Is this a nail in the coffin of MFC? I don't think so. There is the Web based forum dedicated to MFC and ATL. > Do I need to worry? There are worst things in life, no need to worry IMHO :) Giovanni
From: Cholo Lennon on 22 Jun 2010 19:18 On 22/06/2010 18:37, Giovanni Dicanio wrote: > On 22/06/2010 19:11, Cameron_C wrote: > >> Thanks Joe. >> I have only been surfing this newsgroup for two or three years, but it >> has >> been invaluable at times. >> I have to admit that I am worried/concerned/nervous about the imminent >> demise of the group. > > Someone told that it is possible to use alternative news servers (like > eternal-september) instead of the official Microsoft msnews to access > this newsgroup. But it's not clear to me if this newsgroup can be still > accessible once Microsoft drops it after July 1st... > All other MS closed groups (well, at least groups I have been using) are still available through other servers (i.e. this morning I posted one answer in microsoft.public.vc.language using news.aioe.org) AFAIK the MS newsgroup hierarchies will be existing, so the only thing we have to do is to change the server in order to read/post. Regards > However, I do hope that Joe gets the Community Bridge (or Hector Santos' > Bridge or whatever bridge) and joins the MFC/ATL Forum. > > >> Has the traffic to this newsgroup truly been steadily declining over the >> years? > > You can read Google statistics here: > > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.mfc/about > > The number of posts are not those of the late 1990's or early 2000's > (until about 2002-2003). Probably with the introduction of .NET and C# > (Visual Studio .NET 2003 was the first version to support C#), several > developers went to managed code. > > And if you consider the month of March: > > 1999: 6,719 posts > 2000: 6,098 posts > 2001: 5,696 posts > 2005: 2,501 posts > 2007: 3,051 posts > 2008: 2,077 posts > 2009: 939 posts > 2010: 1,702 posts > > So, there is a decline, but I don't think that it is due to people going > to the Web-based forums :) I may be wrong, but I think it is due to > people using different technologies. > > >> Are fewer resources moving into the MFC arena? > > Don't know. > >> Is Microsoft committed to supporting MFC? > > I think so. Note that there were improvements in MFC in VS2010 (e.g. new > features in support of Windows 7 specific UI elements, like tabbed > thumbnails, etc.) > >> Is it time to consider migrating away from MFC? > > If you have large MFC code bases I think it is just fine to continue > developing in C++ and MFC. Why throwing away $$$ of investments in > working stable code? > > >> Is this a nail in the coffin of MFC? > > I don't think so. > There is the Web based forum dedicated to MFC and ATL. > > >> Do I need to worry? > > There are worst things in life, no need to worry IMHO :) > > > Giovanni -- Cholo Lennon Bs.As. ARG
From: Giovanni Dicanio on 23 Jun 2010 05:20 On 23/06/2010 01:18, Cholo Lennon wrote: > All other MS closed groups (well, at least groups I have been using) are > still available through other servers (i.e. this morning I posted one > answer in microsoft.public.vc.language using news.aioe.org) > > AFAIK the MS newsgroup hierarchies will be existing, so the only thing > we have to do is to change the server in order to read/post. It seems you are right... m.p.vc.language was told to be closed on June 1st, but it is still accessible, e.g. http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vc.language/topics Giovanni
From: Tim Slattery on 23 Jun 2010 09:01
Giovanni Dicanio <giovanniDOTdicanio(a)REMOVEMEgmail.com> wrote: >Someone told that it is possible to use alternative news servers (like >eternal-september) instead of the official Microsoft msnews to access >this newsgroup. But it's not clear to me if this newsgroup can be still >accessible once Microsoft drops it after July 1st... YES, it can. -- Tim Slattery Slattery_T(a)bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt |