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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 28 Mar 2010 20:13
On Mar 27, 8:16 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > If you can do your work instead over an HTTP/HTTPS interface, do so.
> > Webmin is a good model of how such administrative tasks can be done
> > well across a broad variety of platforms.
>
> Does that include such administrative tasks as installing and removing
> packages and managing a firewall?

Yup. Go to www.webmin.com. Be cautios setting it up to enforce HTTPS
access for your first step, and enjoy.
From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 28 Mar 2010 20:18
On Mar 27, 8:24 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > Back up here. X apps are resource intensive, period.
>
> Whether it is X11 or VNC, is it necessary that on my VPS account I have
> Gnome running so that an entire desktop is remotely viewed? Or can the
> X11 or VNC display only the remotely run application's window on my
> local computer?

If it were only displaying the particular application, it would be an
X server. VNC runs a lightweight, local X server and window manager on
the machine running the "VNC server", and allows you to connect to it
over a highly optimzed VNC or even Java based tunnel. The result is
that you can run the client in a modern web browser, and the clients
tend to be quite lightwight. This is the core technology of many of
the "remove console" tools, and I'm reasonably certain that it's the
core technology for providing console access to most of the
virtualization managers. (I can't swear to that because I haven't read
their code, although I *did* write one of the first SunOS ports of
VNC. Ye gods, that was a pain with Sun's weird mix of X11 and Sun
components in openview.)
From: Artist on 28 Mar 2010 23:41
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mar 27, 8:16 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>> If you can do your work instead over an HTTP/HTTPS interface, do so.
>>> Webmin is a good model of how such administrative tasks can be done
>>> well across a broad variety of platforms.
>> Does that include such administrative tasks as installing and removing
>> packages and managing a firewall?
>
> Yup. Go to www.webmin.com. Be cautios setting it up to enforce HTTPS
> access for your first step, and enjoy.

I have decided to use Froxlor because of its ability to manage my chosen
webserver which is Lighttpd. But it does not appear to manage iptables.
What would happen if I try to have two administrative programs, say
Webmin for managing the firewall and Froxlor for everything else?

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From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 29 Mar 2010 08:08
On Mar 28, 11:41 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 8:16 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >>> If you can do your work instead over an HTTP/HTTPS interface, do so.
> >>> Webmin is a good model of how such administrative tasks can be done
> >>> well across a broad variety of platforms.
> >> Does that include such administrative tasks as installing and removing
> >> packages and managing a firewall?
>
> > Yup. Go towww.webmin.com. Be cautios setting it up to enforce HTTPS
> > access for your first step, and enjoy.
>
> I have decided to use Froxlor because of its ability to manage my chosen
> webserver which is Lighttpd. But it does not appear to manage iptables.
> What would happen if I try to have two administrative programs, say
> Webmin for managing the firewall and Froxlor for everything else?
>
> --
> If you desire to respond directly remove the "sj." from the domain name
> part of my email address. It is a spam jammer.

Webmin plays nicely. It's directly reviewing the existing
configuration files, not maintaining some confusing third-party
database that wouldn't recognize edits done behind your back without
using an unreliable import mechanism to discard old data and reload
changes. If I find one more idiot who thinks flat text configuration
files should be stored and manipulated only through a third party
database and discard all manual config changes, I'm.... I'm.... going
to remember NeXT stations and shake my head in dismay. And if I see
another one that relies on comment fields to control editing of text
config fields, I'm going to say "who do you think you are? SuSE and
YaST?" In case you can't tell, I think that inventing ways to store
information about config files that are not actually part of the
config file syntax itself is extremely dangerous, from harsh, bitter
experience.

It's also possible to rip some of the utilities out of Webmin to avoid
conflict, although the next major upgrade would restore them. My
concern would be that Foxtror also plays nicely. But you could check
it and see.
From: Artist on 1 Apr 2010 11:31
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mar 27, 8:24 pm, Artist <Art...(a)sj.speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>> Back up here. X apps are resource intensive, period.
>> Whether it is X11 or VNC, is it necessary that on my VPS account I have
>> Gnome running so that an entire desktop is remotely viewed? Or can the
>> X11 or VNC display only the remotely run application's window on my
>> local computer?
>
> If it were only displaying the particular application, it would be an
> X server. VNC runs a lightweight, local X server and window manager on
> the machine running the "VNC server", and allows you to connect to it
> over a highly optimzed VNC or even Java based tunnel. The result is
> that you can run the client in a modern web browser, and the clients
> tend to be quite lightwight. This is the core technology of many of
> the "remove console" tools, and I'm reasonably certain that it's the
> core technology for providing console access to most of the
> virtualization managers. (I can't swear to that because I haven't read
> their code, although I *did* write one of the first SunOS ports of
> VNC. Ye gods, that was a pain with Sun's weird mix of X11 and Sun
> components in openview.)

Would the remotely run application need to be built for VNC
compatibility or would any X11 application work with VNC?

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