From: Paul E Condon on
On 20100325_204331, Mark wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Tom H <tomh0665(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > It is a feature! ;)
> >
> > There's probably Windows backup software on it; and who knows what else.
> >
>
> Helpful post from Tom, I've done similar but only on Sandisk products. I
> thought U3 was only a Sandisk thing but now WD is using it too?
>
> Some of the Windows software Tom H mentioned and shown
> here<http://www.u3.com/smart/default.aspx>makes me skeptical at best.
> I just get rid of U3 by default now.

SanDisk publishes utilities on its web site that remove U3 on both
Windows and Mac.

Western Digital uses what must be the same software technology, but
they call it Virtual-CD or VCD. They also provide a software fix. But
the WD fix only disables VCD and makes the small partition
invisible. It does not release the space on the platter. (OK on a
500GB drive, IMHO)

I think my problem is solved, but not in a was that makes me happy
about either company's support for Linux

Also the new drive has a different kind of USB socket that I have not
seen before. About the same size as current small end of USB cable
but incompatible shape. Why?

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From: Stan Hoeppner on
Paul E Condon put forth on 3/25/2010 11:32 PM:

> Western Digital uses what must be the same software technology, but
> they call it Virtual-CD or VCD. They also provide a software fix. But
> the WD fix only disables VCD and makes the small partition
> invisible. It does not release the space on the platter. (OK on a
> 500GB drive, IMHO)

That's because, AFAICT, it's not on the disk platter Paul. That "partition"
resides in a flash memory chip on the small PCB inside that pretty WD
enclosure. I.e. it's a phantom, and you can't delete it, nor would you
really benefit if you did.

> I think my problem is solved, but not in a was that makes me happy
> about either company's support for Linux

What other company? Only WD is at issue here, no?

That's what happens when you buy cutesy Windows/MAC devices without reading
up on your potential purchase BEFOREHAND. From the PDF on WD's site:

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/AAG/ENG/4178-705051.pdf

"SYSTEM COMPATIBILITY
Formatted NTFS for Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OSX, Tiger,
Leopard, Snow Leopard (requires formatting)."

Nowhere does it mention Linux, period. How can you complain about their
Linux support when the product literature doesn't mention Linux? So, you
assume that the lack of mention means it's supported? Even though all the
other OS's supported are clearly mentioned, down to each version? You're
lying the blame at the wrong feet methinks.

> Also the new drive has a different kind of USB socket that I have not
> seen before. About the same size as current small end of USB cable
> but incompatible shape. Why?

You're kidding, right? You've never seen the mini and micro USB plugs? The
mini and micro USB plugs have been around for a long time, used mostly by
digital cameras, PDAs, cell phones, basically all the small devices that
need a small plug. You bought a tiny 2.5" 500GB drive in a tiny case. It
needs a tiny plug. And you're surprised and upset by this? If it's the
latest micro plug, be happy, as it's rated for much higher total
insertion/removal cycles over its lifetime, i.e. it's more durable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus

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From: Ron Johnson on
On 2010-03-26 00:57, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
[snip]
>
> Nowhere does it mention Linux, period. How can you complain about their
> Linux support when the product literature doesn't mention Linux? So, you
> assume that the lack of mention means it's supported? Even though all the
> other OS's supported are clearly mentioned, down to each version? You're
> lying the blame at the wrong feet methinks.

Come on, man! You know full well that Linux supports tons of stuff
that the vendor doesn't officially support.

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From: Camaleón on
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:52:49 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 2010-03-26 00:57, Stan Hoeppner wrote: [snip]
>>
>> Nowhere does it mention Linux, period. How can you complain about
>> their Linux support when the product literature doesn't mention Linux?
>> So, you assume that the lack of mention means it's supported? Even
>> though all the other OS's supported are clearly mentioned, down to each
>> version? You're lying the blame at the wrong feet methinks.
>
> Come on, man! You know full well that Linux supports tons of stuff that
> the vendor doesn't officially support.

I agree.

In fact, most of the devices and components (95%?) we all are using in
our machines are not Linux compatible if we read the product
literature :-)

It's all about the specs the manufacturers claim their piece of hardware
supports.

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From: Paul E Condon on
On 20100326_005717, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Paul E Condon put forth on 3/25/2010 11:32 PM:
>
> > Western Digital uses what must be the same software technology, but
> > they call it Virtual-CD or VCD. They also provide a software fix. But
> > the WD fix only disables VCD and makes the small partition
> > invisible. It does not release the space on the platter. (OK on a
> > 500GB drive, IMHO)
>
> That's because, AFAICT, it's not on the disk platter Paul. That "partition"
> resides in a flash memory chip on the small PCB inside that pretty WD
> enclosure. I.e. it's a phantom, and you can't delete it, nor would you
> really benefit if you did.
>
> > I think my problem is solved, but not in a was that makes me happy
> > about either company's support for Linux
>
> What other company? Only WD is at issue here, no?
>
> That's what happens when you buy cutesy Windows/MAC devices without reading
> up on your potential purchase BEFOREHAND. From the PDF on WD's site:
>
> http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/AAG/ENG/4178-705051.pdf
>
> "SYSTEM COMPATIBILITY
> Formatted NTFS for Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Mac OSX, Tiger,
> Leopard, Snow Leopard (requires formatting)."
>
> Nowhere does it mention Linux, period. How can you complain about their
> Linux support when the product literature doesn't mention Linux? So, you
> assume that the lack of mention means it's supported? Even though all the
> other OS's supported are clearly mentioned, down to each version? You're
> lying the blame at the wrong feet methinks.
>
> > Also the new drive has a different kind of USB socket that I have not
> > seen before. About the same size as current small end of USB cable
> > but incompatible shape. Why?
>
> You're kidding, right? You've never seen the mini and micro USB plugs? The
> mini and micro USB plugs have been around for a long time, used mostly by
> digital cameras, PDAs, cell phones, basically all the small devices that
> need a small plug. You bought a tiny 2.5" 500GB drive in a tiny case. It
> needs a tiny plug. And you're surprised and upset by this? If it's the
> latest micro plug, be happy, as it's rated for much higher total
> insertion/removal cycles over its lifetime, i.e. it's more durable.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
>
> --
> Stan

Thanks for the information.

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