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From: gk on 19 Jun 2010 17:17 Existential Angst wrote: > "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message > news:97gm165gf2f7tc7l0sguha68n5n4c1g482(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:31:38 -0400, "Existential Angst" >> <UNfitcat(a)UNoptonline.net> wrote: >> >>> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguesswhat(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message >>> news:dlfj169b48t5a6m9uap7552g8pp8amqahs(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:09:31 -0400, "Existential Angst" >>>> <UNfitcat(a)UNoptonline.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> (rice is a super-food, >>>>> unbeknownst to most); >>>> Most varieties are lacking in specific required amino acids IIRC. >>> Au contrare. >>> Rice has a protein quality on par with chicken and milk, just not as >>> dense. >>> Most grains have a high PQ. >> http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein-rice.htm >> "The protein in rice is considered incomplete because it has lower levels >> of >> some of the essential amino acids." >> >> One of the goals of new rice varieties is to "correct" this (& a few >> other >> things). >> Most rice is low in lysine. > > Well, first, I'd rethink your link, as, with their very first entry, they > start with 150 gms of rice, yet manage to get 15 gms of protein, and 170 > grams of carb out of it...... was jb hired for data entry by this site?? > Nor did they get the conversion from grams to oz correct..... goodgawd.... > > Next, unless I made some egregious mistakes, my calcs disagree. > You can readily calculate PQ in a spreadsheet, from the constitutuent aa > profiles, by referencing the the aa profile of the egg. > > OK, here is the VERY FIRST cite I retrieved, searching protein quality of > rice : http://www.goya.com/english/nutrition/basics_rice.html > > ------------------------------- > ........ The protein in rice is well balanced because all eight amino > acids are present and in proper proportion. Therefore, rice is a unique > cereal grain. The protein content of rice, while limited (ranging from 2.0 > to 2.5 mg. per 1/2 cup of cooked rice), is considered one of the highest > quality proteins to that provided by other cereal grains. > > Biological value is a measure of protein quality, assessed by determining > the extent to which a given protein supports nitrogen retention. The most > perfect protein by this standard is egg protein (biological value 100); this > has been designated the reference protein by the Food and Agriculture > Organization of the United Nations. > > ********* > > Rice protein has a biological value of 86. > > ********* > > Fish fillet protein has a biological value of 75-90. Corn protein has a > biological value of 40. Generally, a biological value of 70 or above > indicates acceptable quality. > > ------------------------------- > > > > Yours truly calculated a PQ of 88 for rice, but who's quibbling..... > > Notice how the PQ of rice exceeds that of most fish, according to this > cite!!! > And chicken, according to me. :) > > > Thus, my original point remains, rice is a SPECTACULAR food, additionally > valuable because it has no gluten, like many grains. > This can be a VERY important consideration, even for people who are not > celiacs, or with measurable gluten sensitivities. It is thought that there > is a lot of un-measurable gluten sensitivity. > > Thus a rice-based diet visavis a wheat-based diet is "safer". > > Corn is considered a grain, but has relatively low PQ, 40 as cited above. > > Beans can have an even LOWER PQ, but are denser in amounts. > Lentils, for example, have a PQ of 27 (worser than g-d corn!!!), but can > quickly be elevated to near-80% with about 80 mg of methionine, and then to > 90% with a very small amount of lysine. > > This, however, is not traditionally done, so lentils, as they stand, have > lots of protein, just real crappy quality. > > Rice has much less protein, but excellent quality. > > Ergo, the time-honored notion of rice and beans being "complementary > proteins" has been time-honoredly incorreck, as you can't rationally > "combine" proteins when one source *already* has a high PQ. Protein > combining only applies to sources of crappy PQ quality to form a high PQ, > and, in reality, rarely occurs. > I assume this all refers to brown rice? I don't believe there is much left in the white variety. gk |