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From: dannas on 3 Jun 2010 10:53 "|-|ercules" <radgray123(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:86p0dtFdhnU1(a)mid.individual.net... > "George Greene" <greeneg(a)email.unc.edu> wrote ... >> On Jun 3, 12:34 am, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>> how can I point to a single box, out of an infinity of boxes in an >>> imaginary >>> problem ? >> >> With its NUMBER, THAT's how. >> Every box has a natural number on it, as a label. >> No two boxes have the same number and every natural number is on some >> box. >> Actually, you could just dispense with the numbers altogether simply >> by setting >> up the boxes in 1 straight line and COUNTING. > > > Thanks George. > Care to answer: > > 1/ is there a box that contains the numbers of all the boxes that don't > contain their own number? > > and > > 2/ Can the result of 1/ be used to prove the existence of higher > infinities? > > Everyone here is chatting about how smart they are and how my theories are > all junk, but no one is answering any of my questions. > > I'll bet $100 someone replies to the last paragraph while ignoring the 2 > questions! > > Herc sure no problem, send the $100 to knowseverything(a)paypal.com first. also you did not specify the number of frige magnets inside each box. Please try to be more clear next time.
From: |-|ercules on 3 Jun 2010 15:58 "dannas" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote ... > > "George Greene" <greeneg(a)email.unc.edu> wrote in message > news:c969f9f0-71ce-4b79-8669-37c610773bd6(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 3, 12:34 am, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: >> how can I point to a single box, out of an infinity of boxes in an >> imaginary >> problem ? > >>With its NUMBER, THAT's how. >>Every box has a natural number on it, as a label. >>No two boxes have the same number and every natural number is on some >>box. >>Actually, you could just dispense with the numbers altogether simply >>by setting >>up the boxes in 1 straight line and COUNTING. > > > those are just assumptions that you have made, which change the problem. > > > the OP did NOT say natural numbers were written on them, > > and he did NOT say that the number inside the box was Unique. By working out the case where the poll question does not hold, does that imply you know of the case where it does? Herc
From: dannas on 3 Jun 2010 16:03 "|-|ercules" <radgray123(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:86qfqlF807U1(a)mid.individual.net... > "dannas" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote ... >> >> "George Greene" <greeneg(a)email.unc.edu> wrote in message >> news:c969f9f0-71ce-4b79-8669-37c610773bd6(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 3, 12:34 am, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>> how can I point to a single box, out of an infinity of boxes in an >>> imaginary >>> problem ? >> >>>With its NUMBER, THAT's how. >>>Every box has a natural number on it, as a label. >>>No two boxes have the same number and every natural number is on some >>>box. >>>Actually, you could just dispense with the numbers altogether simply >>>by setting >>>up the boxes in 1 straight line and COUNTING. >> >> >> those are just assumptions that you have made, which change the problem. >> >> >> the OP did NOT say natural numbers were written on them, >> >> and he did NOT say that the number inside the box was Unique. > > > By working out the case where the poll question does not hold, does that > imply you know of the case where it does? > > Herc of course; Wiki Proof by contradiction; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction Wiki Proof by contrapositive; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contrapositive Wiki Proof by constipation; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constipation
From: |-|ercules on 3 Jun 2010 16:08 "dannas" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote > > "|-|ercules" <radgray123(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:86qfqlF807U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> "dannas" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote ... >>> >>> "George Greene" <greeneg(a)email.unc.edu> wrote in message >>> news:c969f9f0-71ce-4b79-8669-37c610773bd6(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jun 3, 12:34 am, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: >>>> how can I point to a single box, out of an infinity of boxes in an >>>> imaginary >>>> problem ? >>> >>>>With its NUMBER, THAT's how. >>>>Every box has a natural number on it, as a label. >>>>No two boxes have the same number and every natural number is on some >>>>box. >>>>Actually, you could just dispense with the numbers altogether simply >>>>by setting >>>>up the boxes in 1 straight line and COUNTING. >>> >>> >>> those are just assumptions that you have made, which change the problem. >>> >>> >>> the OP did NOT say natural numbers were written on them, >>> >>> and he did NOT say that the number inside the box was Unique. >> >> >> By working out the case where the poll question does not hold, does that >> imply you know of the case where it does? >> >> Herc > > of course; > > Wiki Proof by contradiction; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction > > > Wiki Proof by contrapositive; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contrapositive > > Wiki Proof by constipation; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constipation You really are full of sh1t then! Herc
From: George Greene on 3 Jun 2010 16:33
On Jun 3, 10:50 am, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > those are just assumptions that you have made, which change the problem. Liar. The fact that you cannot read does not mean that I am "making assumptions". In any case, the OP is NOT an authority on the problem. The problem long predates him. He has some serious misunderstandings about the problem and is groping. > the OP did NOT say natural numbers were written on them, Liar. He said, "and the boxes have a unique number written on them." Unique means one of a kind. It means that each box has a different number on it. Or, at least, that's how HE meant it. I concede that other interpretations may be possible, but not that you actually made one. You just fucked up. > and he did NOT say that the number inside the box was Unique. I didn't either, DUMBASS. There IS NO "the" number inside the box! THE number is ON THE OUTSIDE of the box, as a label, or, as the OP said, "written on them". What is INside each and every box is a ("unique", i.e., different for each one) SUBSET of the naturals! It is not so important that you admit that you were wrong in the past, as it is that you change to correctly understanding what is going on in the present. |