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From: RW on 3 Nov 2009 13:19
"...but why bother, when the straightforward, direct configuration of Eudora
will do everything correctly anyway?"

I would actually prefer that the personality in question does inherit it's
properties from the dominant personality just as it does on my laptop. I
can't seem to make relaying work so I thought this would be my salvation.
I'm running the same version of Eudora on both PC's so maybe the issue is
with the operating system and not Eudora?

I even set my laptop right next to my desktop and matched all the Eudora
settings and Eudora still won't default on the XP machine. Argh!!!






"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:12:27 -0600, RW wrote:
>
>> Eudora defaults to the dominant personality on my laptop running Vista,
>> but not on my desktop running XP.
>
> Any newly created personality in a late version of Eudora
> will NOT inherit (from "Dominant") any of the settings
> defined in the "Properties" of a personality,
> because the creation, within Eudora, of a new personality
> automatically generates a new value (even if empty)
> for all of the properties, for the very purpose
> of ensuring the complete independence of personalities.
>
> You can, of course, do otherwise, by directly editing Eudora.ini,
> but why bother, when the straightforward, direct configuration of Eudora
> will do everything correctly anyway?
>
>> Any more thoughts?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows/msg/1281602e2f47e823
>
> --


From: John H Meyers on 3 Nov 2009 13:51
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:19:02 -0600, RW wrote:

> I would actually prefer that the personality in question does inherit its
> properties from the dominant personality just as it does on my laptop.

Delete lines in the [Persona-xyz] section of Eudora.ini which have no value.

> I can't seem to make relaying work so I thought this would be my salvation.

If you want "Dominant" to do the relaying
("pinch hitting" by using its SMTP server whenever mail is sent),
select "Dominant" under "Sending Mail,"
where the "SMTP Relay Personality" is selected,
and mark "Use relay personality, if defined"
in all personalities which need a "pinch hitter" for sending mail.

If "Dominant's" SMTP server needs authentication (login),
it still had better use the same username/password
as "Dominant's" POP server (if it has one).

The effect of deleting lines to cause "inheriting settings,"
as mentioned above, is not equivalent, however,
so anyone relying on that may experience other sorts
of unexpected behavior -- whenever people have done such things,
they may end up tearing their hair out to understand the results
of such "invisible" internal settings tinkerings,
which no longer correspond to what "standard procedure" would produce,
using only plainly visible GUI settings.

Using a "Ports" settings category to change some "basic" port numbers
is another, similar way to end up with a scrambled brain,
in case any personality still needs the unmodified number(s).

> I'm running the same version of Eudora on both PC's
> so maybe the issue is with the operating system and not Eudora?

Only if you have caused Vista to perform "Folder virtualization"
by storing mail and settings under "Program Files,"
which is another way to lose clumps of hair,
after having grossly violated proper program installation
(a "Year 2000" dictum of Microsoft
which now has sharpened teeth, starting with Vista :)

--
From: RW on 3 Nov 2009 17:14
Thanks again John. I'll dig into this latter this afternoon. Or tomorrow.
Right now my head feels like it's gonna explode!









"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:op.u2t1bspmnn735j(a)miu.edu...
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:19:02 -0600, RW wrote:
>
>> I would actually prefer that the personality in question does inherit its
>> properties from the dominant personality just as it does on my laptop.
>
> Delete lines in the [Persona-xyz] section of Eudora.ini which have no
> value.
>
>> I can't seem to make relaying work so I thought this would be my
>> salvation.
>
> If you want "Dominant" to do the relaying
> ("pinch hitting" by using its SMTP server whenever mail is sent),
> select "Dominant" under "Sending Mail,"
> where the "SMTP Relay Personality" is selected,
> and mark "Use relay personality, if defined"
> in all personalities which need a "pinch hitter" for sending mail.
>
> If "Dominant's" SMTP server needs authentication (login),
> it still had better use the same username/password
> as "Dominant's" POP server (if it has one).
>
> The effect of deleting lines to cause "inheriting settings,"
> as mentioned above, is not equivalent, however,
> so anyone relying on that may experience other sorts
> of unexpected behavior -- whenever people have done such things,
> they may end up tearing their hair out to understand the results
> of such "invisible" internal settings tinkerings,
> which no longer correspond to what "standard procedure" would produce,
> using only plainly visible GUI settings.
>
> Using a "Ports" settings category to change some "basic" port numbers
> is another, similar way to end up with a scrambled brain,
> in case any personality still needs the unmodified number(s).
>
>> I'm running the same version of Eudora on both PC's
>> so maybe the issue is with the operating system and not Eudora?
>
> Only if you have caused Vista to perform "Folder virtualization"
> by storing mail and settings under "Program Files,"
> which is another way to lose clumps of hair,
> after having grossly violated proper program installation
> (a "Year 2000" dictum of Microsoft
> which now has sharpened teeth, starting with Vista :)
>
> --


From: Jim Higgins on 4 Nov 2009 17:16
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:12:27 -0800, "RW" <ranger52oc(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>Ooops. I spoke too soon.
>
>Eudora defaults to the dominant personality on my laptop running Vista, but
>not on my desktop running XP.
>
>Any more thoughts?

Yes. Shut down Eudora. Open Eudora.ini using a text editor in plain
text mode, no wordwrap.

Now go to the section containing the parameters for the personality in
question and delete the lines containing parameter names with empty
values that are causing Eudora to ignore the same-named parameters
from the dominant personality. If deleting makes you nervous, just
comment them out by placing a semicolon in front of them.

Note I DIDN'T say to delete ALL empty valued parameters, just those in
conflict with the settings you know you want to inherit from the
dominant personality.

BTW, the values for the dominant personality are contained in the
rather large [Settings} section. There is no separate little block of
parameters with "[Persona - Dominant]" at the top of it.

The use of "relay personalities" replaces the need for manual INI file
editing, but as I recall the explanation on how to use relay
personalities in the HELP file is either really poor or nonexistant.

Hope that helps.
--
Please don't be a "Help Vampire"
http://slash7.com/pages/vampires
From: RW on 4 Nov 2009 17:40
Thanks Jim. I finally got it figured out and all is well.


"Jim Higgins" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:12:27 -0800, "RW" <ranger52oc(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Ooops. I spoke too soon.
>>
>>Eudora defaults to the dominant personality on my laptop running Vista,
>>but
>>not on my desktop running XP.
>>
>>Any more thoughts?
>
> Yes. Shut down Eudora. Open Eudora.ini using a text editor in plain
> text mode, no wordwrap.
>
> Now go to the section containing the parameters for the personality in
> question and delete the lines containing parameter names with empty
> values that are causing Eudora to ignore the same-named parameters
> from the dominant personality. If deleting makes you nervous, just
> comment them out by placing a semicolon in front of them.
>
> Note I DIDN'T say to delete ALL empty valued parameters, just those in
> conflict with the settings you know you want to inherit from the
> dominant personality.
>
> BTW, the values for the dominant personality are contained in the
> rather large [Settings} section. There is no separate little block of
> parameters with "[Persona - Dominant]" at the top of it.
>
> The use of "relay personalities" replaces the need for manual INI file
> editing, but as I recall the explanation on how to use relay
> personalities in the HELP file is either really poor or nonexistant.
>
> Hope that helps.
> --
> Please don't be a "Help Vampire"
> http://slash7.com/pages/vampires


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