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From: PA Bear [MS MVP] on 1 Jul 2010 17:12 +1 Daave wrote: > Tecknomage wrote: > >> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for, >> and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those >> used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by >> engineers. >> >> ONE VERY BIG WARNING: >> >> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless >> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.* >> >> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist >> you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have. >> >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD. >> >> >> >> Having said that... >> >> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install. >> >> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD. >> >> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs) >> >> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from..... >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en >> >> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will >> Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program >> >> >> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you >> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site: >> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/ >> >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the >> 'notify ONLY' option. >> >> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems. >> >> >> >> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP >> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer >> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP >> on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro. >> >> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open >> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY >> be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding >> one. > > Wow, that is an *awful* lot of misinformation there! > > Here is one place one may obtain XP Pro SP3 (OEM): > > http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010426
From: HeyBub on 1 Jul 2010 20:16 Henry wrote: > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig > of RAM. > > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install > SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen. > > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom) > > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something > happens and your computer gets screwed up. > > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up. > > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back > running. > > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur. > > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice. > My advice is to get a completely new set of friends. The people who've been advising you are loons.
From: xfile on 1 Jul 2010 21:41 His advise, in my opinion, is solid for regular *non-techie* user. >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD. >> > > It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original > installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file (not > the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't have to > explain you how. He didn't mention anything about if he or anyone doesn't know how to make an installation CD, but lack of warning for the original CD couldn't be used. Ordinary users (a.k.a. those who don't install software on a 24/7 basis) could be panic when he/she found out the original CD can't be used. >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the >> 'notify ONLY' option. >> > > Again why? So that one can observe if there are any problems after the installation and will not complicate the issues and to make it easier for troubleshooting if there were any adverse effects. It's called controlled environment. "Doum" <me(a)domain.net> wrote in message news:XnF9DA87AC2B5F05doumdomainnet(a)207.46.248.16... > Tecknomage <tecknode(a)NOSPAM.com> �crivait > news:qdbp26dhsuna19389svdqllivb84d5vq1e(a)4ax.com: > >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz(a)arrl.net> wrote: >> >>> I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 >>> Gig of RAM. >>> >>> I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install >>> SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will >>> happen. >>> >>> 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom) >>> >>> 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then >>> something happens and your computer gets screwed up. >>> >>> 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up. >>> >>> With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get >>> back running. >>> >>> With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur. >>> >>> Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice. >>> >>> Signed Scared >>> >>> Henry >> >> >> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for, >> and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those >> used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by >> engineers. >> > > I'm glad you're not my IT technician. > >> ONE VERY BIG WARNING: >> >> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless >> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.* >> >> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist >> you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have. >> >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD. >> > > It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original > installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file (not > the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't have to > explain you how. > >> >> Having said that... >> >> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install. >> > > Why? It's the same file contained in the ISO. > >> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD. >> >> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs) >> >> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from..... >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb- >> 4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en >> >> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will >> Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program >> >> >> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you >> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site: >> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/ >> >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the >> 'notify ONLY' option. >> > > Again why? > >> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems. >> >> >> >> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP >> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer >> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP >> on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro. >> >> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open >> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY >> be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding >> one. > > Just make one! > >> >> >> -- >>======== Tecknomage ======== >> Computer Systems Specialist >> IT Technician >> San Diego, CA >> >
From: Doum on 2 Jul 2010 07:02 "xfile" <coucou(a)nospam.com> �crivait news:i0jg51$1ne$1(a)speranza.aioe.org: > His advise, in my opinion, is solid for regular *non-techie* user. > >>> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not >>> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD. >>> >> >> It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original >> installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file >> (not the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't >> have to explain you how. > > He didn't mention anything about if he or anyone doesn't know how to > make an installation CD, but lack of warning for the original CD > couldn't be used. > > Ordinary users (a.k.a. those who don't install software on a 24/7 > basis) could be panic when he/she found out the original CD can't be > used. > Those corresponding to the profile you describe, probably don't know what a repair install is anyway. >>> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days >>> BEFORE running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to >>> the 'notify ONLY' option. >>> >> >> Again why? > > So that one can observe if there are any problems after the > installation and will not complicate the issues and to make it easier > for troubleshooting if there were any adverse effects. It's called > controlled environment. > The problems reported here after installing SP3 were computer doesn't restart, so you install SP3, reboot twice, try your programs and do the upgrades, no need to wait. > > > > > "Doum" <me(a)domain.net> wrote in message > news:XnF9DA87AC2B5F05doumdomainnet(a)207.46.248.16... >> Tecknomage <tecknode(a)NOSPAM.com> �crivait >> news:qdbp26dhsuna19389svdqllivb84d5vq1e(a)4ax.com: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz(a)arrl.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 >>>> Gig of RAM. >>>> >>>> I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to >>>> install SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things >>>> will happen. >>>> >>>> 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom) >>>> >>>> 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then >>>> something happens and your computer gets screwed up. >>>> >>>> 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed >>>> up. >>>> >>>> With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get >>>> back running. >>>> >>>> With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur. >>>> >>>> Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice. >>>> >>>> Signed Scared >>>> >>>> Henry >>> >>> >>> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work >>> for, and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except >>> those used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by >>> engineers. >>> >> >> I'm glad you're not my IT technician. >> >>> ONE VERY BIG WARNING: >>> >>> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless >>> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.* >>> >>> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will >>> insist you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have. >>> >>> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not >>> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD. >>> >> >> It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original >> installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file >> (not the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't >> have to explain you how. >> >>> >>> Having said that... >>> >>> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install. >>> >> >> Why? It's the same file contained in the ISO. >> >>> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD. >>> >>> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs) >>> >>> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from..... >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5f >>> b- 4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en >>> >>> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that >>> will Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any >>> program >>> >>> >>> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you >>> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site: >>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/ >>> >>> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days >>> BEFORE running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to >>> the 'notify ONLY' option. >>> >> >> Again why? >> >>> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems. >>> >>> >>> >>> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP >>> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer >>> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install >>> WinXP on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro. >>> >>> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open >>> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there >>> MAY be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in >>> finding one. >> >> Just make one! >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>>======== Tecknomage ======== >>> Computer Systems Specialist >>> IT Technician >>> San Diego, CA >>> >>
From: Bruce Chambers on 2 Jul 2010 14:17 Henry wrote: > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig > of RAM. > > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3 > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen. > > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom) > Actually, this is what occurs roughly 98% of the time on the hundreds of WinXP SP3 machines I used to support. (We've long since migrated to Vista on the Enterprise.) > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something > happens and your computer gets screwed up. > Actually, this occurred about 1% of the time, if incompatible/corrupt drivers are present at the time of the upgrade. > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up. > Actually, this occurred about 1% of the time, if incompatible/corrupt drivers are present at the time of the upgrade. > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back > running. > > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur. > > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice. > My advice: stop listening to rumors and install SP3. As for problems mentioned in newsgroups, what else are newsgroups for? No one going to post just to say that all went well. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot
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