From: Mark Zenier on
In article <1172764822.425589.54180(a)n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>I want to amplify and distribute SPDIF to three systems over maybe
>100m feeding into systems that take AES/EBU.

What about a distribution amp for VGA video?

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From: Eeyore on


Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> >
> > > I want to amplify and distribute SPDIF to three systems over maybe
> > > 100m feeding into systems that take AES/EBU.
> > > So, thinking of putting the SPDIF through an amp and then splitting it
> > > through a 4 Way off the shelf passive F- Splitter.
> > > Can anyone recommend a cheap amp that might be suitable for this?
> > > People have suggested TV amps but I can't seem to find any that don't
> > > cut off below about 88MHz (FM).
> >
> > A video DA should be OK to distribute SPDIF but the signal voltage of SPDIF is
> > too low for AES.
>
> I know, although it's right on the edge over short runs.
> I was hoping for a bit of voltage amplification.
> Anyway, look like I'm going to have to make my own given the ludicrous
> prices companies are charging for what is basically a simple circuit.
> I estimate that the total cost of the parts excluding PCB for a 1:3
> distributor will be around �10 one off. And that includes xformer
> isolation.
>
> Which is somewhat lower than the hundreds I've seen quoted.
> Just got to find a decent circuit design, or create one.
> Been looking at this (half way down)
> http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html
>
> Opinions? Suggestions?

Ebay of course !

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/S674-1-to-6-Video-Signal-Amplifier-In-Car-for-TV-VCD_W0QQitemZ300086553221QQihZ020QQcategoryZ67772QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Graham

From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 2 Mar, 17:31, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>
>
> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
> > > > I want to amplify and distributeSPDIFto three systems over maybe
> > > > 100m feeding into systems that take AES/EBU.
> > > > So, thinking of putting theSPDIFthrough an amp and then splitting it
> > > > through a 4 Way off the shelf passive F- Splitter.
> > > > Can anyone recommend a cheap amp that might be suitable for this?
> > > > People have suggested TV amps but I can't seem to find any that don't
> > > > cut off below about 88MHz (FM).
>
> > > A video DA should be OK to distributeSPDIFbut the signal voltage ofSPDIFis
> > > too low for AES.
>
> > I know, although it's right on the edge over short runs.
> > I was hoping for a bit of voltage amplification.
> > Anyway, look like I'm going to have to make my own given the ludicrous
> > prices companies are charging for what is basically a simple circuit.
> > I estimate that the total cost of the parts excluding PCB for a 1:3
> > distributor will be around £10 one off. And that includes xformer
> > isolation.
>
> > Which is somewhat lower than the hundreds I've seen quoted.
> > Just got to find a decent circuit design, or create one.
> > Been looking at this (half way down)
> >http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html
>
> > Opinions? Suggestions?
>
> Ebay of course !
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/S674-1-to-6-Video-Signal-Amplifier-In-Car-for-T...
>
> Graham

I assume that won't give me better than 1V p-p.
Apart from that I am likely to need more than 1 off and a reliable
supply of them.

Dirk

From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> I want to amplify and distribute SPDIF to three systems over maybe
> 100m feeding into systems that take AES/EBU.
> So, thinking of putting the SPDIF through an amp and then splitting it
> through a 4 Way off the shelf passive F- Splitter.
> Can anyone recommend a cheap amp that might be suitable for this?
> People have suggested TV amps but I can't seem to find any that don't
> cut off below about 88MHz (FM).
>
> I'd also like to boost the voltage a bit as well since I'm feeding
> into EAS/EBU.
> I know I could probably put one together using a buffer amp chip or
> something but I don't want to have to get into making, soldering and
> packaging a solution of my own.
>
> Someone somewhere must do what I want at a reasonable price.
> I know someone does it at an *unreasonable* price - approx $350, but
> that seems aimed at audiofools.

Looks like I'm going to be doing a DIY job, since we can't buy in at the
right price.

So, here's the design.

SPDIF feeding into an AD818 wideband amp, with a gain of 4.
The o/p of this to an HC Schitt trigger and this feeds into four RS485
line drivers. Each o/p then drives an audio digital transformer for
isolation (and to get rid of any potential ground loop problems we may
encounter).

Opinions?

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> I want to amplify and distribute SPDIF to three systems over maybe
>> 100m feeding into systems that take AES/EBU.
>> So, thinking of putting the SPDIF through an amp and then splitting it
>> through a 4 Way off the shelf passive F- Splitter.
>> Can anyone recommend a cheap amp that might be suitable for this?
>> People have suggested TV amps but I can't seem to find any that don't
>> cut off below about 88MHz (FM).
>>
>> I'd also like to boost the voltage a bit as well since I'm feeding
>> into EAS/EBU.
>> I know I could probably put one together using a buffer amp chip or
>> something but I don't want to have to get into making, soldering and
>> packaging a solution of my own.
>>
>> Someone somewhere must do what I want at a reasonable price.
>> I know someone does it at an *unreasonable* price - approx $350, but
>> that seems aimed at audiofools.
>
> Looks like I'm going to be doing a DIY job, since we can't buy in at the
> right price.
>
> So, here's the design.
>
> SPDIF feeding into an AD818 wideband amp, with a gain of 4.
> The o/p of this to an HC Schitt trigger and this feeds into four RS485
> line drivers. Each o/p then drives an audio digital transformer for
> isolation (and to get rid of any potential ground loop problems we may
> encounter).
>
> Opinions?

BTW, I'll be using the free Eagle layout package and a cheap PCB
prototyping house in the UK. Apart from my valuable time I estimate
total overall cost for a 1 in 4 out converter (one off initially) to be
around $100 including XLR connectors.

Production should bring that down to around $50 in the quantities we
want including labour cost.

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com