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From: JR on 29 Apr 2010 21:43
The manufacturer is now saying they operate under the MS Royalty Licensing
agreement and this is what allows multiple installs of SQL up to the license
count of the hosted application. But, they will not provide technical
support, which if I'm understanding royalty licensing correctly they must do
to be in compliance with that agreement (amongst other things they don't
comply with).




"Sylvain Lafontaine" <sylvainlafontaine2009(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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> You are entering the land of the lawers, here.
>
> However, if you want my opinion - which is not a legal opinion -,
> violating a software license is piracy and in most countries, assisting
> piracy is the same as doing it; so this should boil down to a question of
> proof; without forgetting that in most countries, anti-piracy laws are
> based on Copyright Protection Laws.
>
> However, proving that you were knowing it could be hard and most companies
> won't go after you but what have been seen in the past in some cases is
> that they could/will probably go for an audit of your other clients. Not
> a pleasant thought even if they don't say it because your clients will
> nevertheless probably learn in some way or other that you are indirectly
> behind it.
>
> --
> Sylvain Lafontaine, ing.
> MVP - Windows Live Platform
> Blog/web site: http://coding-paparazzi.sylvainlafontaine.com
> Independent consultant and remote programming for Access and SQL-Server
> (French)
>
>
> "JR" <abs(a)spam.never> wrote in message
> news:%2394HIfB0KHA.1796(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Now that we all agree we have a violation here if the SQL Workgroup is
>> installed on multiple machines, let us take this one step further...
>>
>> If an IT company knowingly assists a customer with the installations that
>> are in violation, could or should they bear some responsibility for
>> having assisted with said installations when the software police come
>> busting through the door?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "jgurgul" <jgurgul(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B1DF9B0D-E4A8-4C42-8D06-FE9BA95167B5(a)microsoft.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I believe the articles below help to clarify this nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/F/8/6F84A9FE-1E5C-44CC-87BB-C236BFCBA4DF/SQLServer2008_LicensingGuide.pdf
>>> Server/CAL Licensing
>>> When licensing SQL Server under the Server/CAL model, you purchase a
>>> Server
>>> license for the server and Client Access
>>> Licenses (CALs) for each device (Device CALs) and/or users (User CALs)
>>> accessing or using the services or functionality of SQL Server.
>>>
>>> Rules 3.1 Counting CALS
>>> . A given user or device only needs one SQL Server CAL to access any
>>> number
>>> of SQL Server instances in your organization.
>>> . SQL Server Workgroup and SQL Server Standard for Small Business
>>> editions
>>> have their own CALs that can only be used with those respective
>>> editions.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/2008/en/us/pricing.aspx
>>>
>>> Workgroup Edition
>>>
>>> Retail*
>>> $739 with 5 CALs
>>> Example**
>>> $730 per server $146 per additional CAL
>>>
>>> Another licensing worth browsing:
>>> http://www.microsoftvolumelicensing.com/userights/ProductPage.aspx?pid=357
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> "JR" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I meant to say I feel it is a violation to install Workgroup on the
>>>> remote
>>>> machines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "JR" <abs(a)spam.never> wrote in message
>>>> news:OG$OcUCzKHA.736(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> > Not sure where to post this, so I'll give it a try here...
>>>> >
>>>> > This has been an ongoing battle and wondering what folks there think.
>>>> >
>>>> > Say a 25 user CRM application ships with a copy of SQL Workgroup
>>>> > Edition
>>>> > for use with that CRM app. The customer is also given 25 SQL CALs to
>>>> > match the user licensing of the CRM app. It isn't specific as to
>>>> > whether
>>>> > or not these are device or user cals, but that isn't the issue.
>>>> >
>>>> > This CRM application has the capability to sync data to remote users
>>>> > that
>>>> > also run a copy of the CRM app. Typically SQL Express is used on the
>>>> > remote machines, but if the DB exceeds 4 Gig obviously that becomes a
>>>> > problem.
>>>> >
>>>> > Question is would it be a violation of the SQL Workgroup licensing to
>>>> > isntall a copy of Workgroup on a remote user's machine to get around
>>>> > the 4
>>>> > Gig limit? I say no and feel the SQL Workgroup licensing agreement
>>>> > is
>>>> > quite clear about it being for use on one machine.
>>>> >
>>>> > The manufacturer of the CRM app is saying we can freely install the
>>>> > SQL
>>>> > Workgroup on each remote user's machine up to the 25 user limit, but
>>>> > I
>>>> > think this would be a clear violation of the SQL licensing agreement.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


From: Scott Morris on 30 Apr 2010 08:15
"JR" <abs(a)spam.never> wrote in message
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> The manufacturer is now saying they operate under the MS Royalty Licensing
> agreement and this is what allows multiple installs of SQL up to the
> license count of the hosted application. But, they will not provide
> technical support, which if I'm understanding royalty licensing correctly
> they must do to be in compliance with that agreement (amongst other things
> they don't comply with).

If you feel that they are doing something illegal, then report them to
Microsoft or to the BSA (bsa.org).


From: JR on 3 May 2010 10:33
I have no desire to report them, as they are our bread and butter at the
moment. I'm only looking to clear up the licensing issue so there are no
repercussions for the customers that use the product.

Besides, on 3 separate occasions with 3 separate companies that I did report
that were worthly of being reported not a single report was followed up on
by BSA. BSA is a joke.




"Scott Morris" <bogus(a)bogus.com> wrote in message
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> "JR" <abs(a)spam.never> wrote in message
> news:%23TflIaA6KHA.5016(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The manufacturer is now saying they operate under the MS Royalty
>> Licensing agreement and this is what allows multiple installs of SQL up
>> to the license count of the hosted application. But, they will not
>> provide technical support, which if I'm understanding royalty licensing
>> correctly they must do to be in compliance with that agreement (amongst
>> other things they don't comply with).
>
> If you feel that they are doing something illegal, then report them to
> Microsoft or to the BSA (bsa.org).
>
>


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