SR/GR use absolute time to synchronize the GPS clocks with the ground clock.
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From: kenseto on 22 Apr 2010 17:03 On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 22, 2:46 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:41 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 22, 8:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 19, 12:24 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 19, 8:27 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2:18 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 11:11 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 1:14 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 10:05 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 5:29 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do I need to rebut what SR says? > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep saying there is an absolute frame. SR states there is no > > > > > > > > > > > absolute frame. If you're going to stick to your claim, you're going to > > > > > > > > > > > have to rebut SR. > > > > > > > > > > > Sigh....SR doesn't say that. SR says that it doen't need the absolute > > > > > > > > > > frame after it adopted the laws of physics of the absolute frame. > > > > > > > > > > Stop making things up, Ken. SR says no such thing. > > > > > > > > > Do you deny that the laws of physics in any inerial frame are the same > > > > > > > > as the laws of phyiscs in an absolute frame? > > > > > > > > Yes, I deny that. The laws of physics in the absolute frame are > > > > > > > DIFFERENT than they are in inertial reference frames. That's what > > > > > > > distinguishes the absolute rest frame. That's what it means. > > > > > > > Then why can't you describe the differences in the laws of physics > > > > > > between an inertial frame and an absolute frame? > > > > > > I have already, Ken, in this thread. I characterized how, in inertial > > > > > reference frames, the Newtonian laws of mechanics and the laws of > > > > > electrodynamics hold. I also described how the laws of physics would > > > > > be different in an absolute reference frame. The properties that YOU > > > > > think are ascribed to an absolute reference frame are incorrect. Those > > > > > are not the properties of an absolute reference frame. > > > > > No....every inertial frame adopts the special properties of the > > > > absolute frame > > > > No, Ken, what you say are the properties of the absolute frame are NOT > > > the properties of the absolute frame, as that word is used in physics.. > > > Sorry, you're just mistaken. > > > No it is you who is mistaken. In the absolute frame the speed of light > > is isotropicc; a clock in the absolute frame is the fastest running > > clock in the universe and a meter stick in the absolute frame is the > > longest meter stick in th euniverse. Thes exclusive preferred > > properties are what make the absolute frame unique. > > No sir. The term "absolute reference frame" is already taken in > physics, and it means something completely different than what you > have made up in your own head. No sir, the preferred properties of an absolute frame are exactly as I described above. Current physics cannot give the absolute frame a different meaning then what its preferred properties describe. Ken Seto
From: PD on 22 Apr 2010 17:06 On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Apr 22, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 22, 2:41 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > All the book written so far gave the wrong interpretation for the > > > properties of an absolute frame. > > > Ken, suppose I pointed to a zebra and called it a penguin. Then > > suppose I said that it is a penguin because it exhibits all the > > properties of a penguin: stripes, four legs, hooves, and a tail. You > > would laugh at me. Suppose you then pulled out a book and showed me a > > picture of what we were looking at, and right next to it is the word > > "zebra", and then you did the same thing with a picture and a label of > > a penguin, so that I could see the difference. Suppose I then said > > that all the books written so far gave the wrong interpretation of the > > properties of penguins. You would not only laugh at me, but you would > > know that I had lost my mind. > > ROTFLOL....Failing to make a valid arguement so you trot out your > ridiculus animal analogy. I agree the animal analogy would make it clear how ridiculous you've been. Anybody who would do that would be out of their mind. Anybody who would do what you've done with physics terms would be out of their mind, too. That much is obvious. > You can deny all you want....All the properties claimed by every > inertial observer are preferred properties of an absolute frame. Assertion is not an argument, Ken. Your own words. What I've said is reality, documented. You claim that reality is wrong, and the documentation is all wrong. People who claim that reality is wrong, and that all the documentation is wrong, are generally psychotic, Ken, and suffer from a break with reality. You may want to stick to your guns, Ken, and remain unconvinced. That's what happens with the delusional. > > Ken Seto > > > > > Ken, do you really not realize what a fool you have made of yourself? > > > PD > >
From: PD on 22 Apr 2010 17:08 On Apr 22, 4:03 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 22, 2:46 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 22, 10:41 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 22, 8:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 19, 12:24 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 8:27 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2:18 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 11:11 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 1:14 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 10:05 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 5:29 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do I need to rebut what SR says? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep saying there is an absolute frame. SR states there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute frame. If you're going to stick to your claim, you're going to > > > > > > > > > > > > have to rebut SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sigh....SR doesn't say that. SR says that it doen't need the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > frame after it adopted the laws of physics of the absolute frame. > > > > > > > > > > > Stop making things up, Ken. SR says no such thing. > > > > > > > > > > Do you deny that the laws of physics in any inerial frame are the same > > > > > > > > > as the laws of phyiscs in an absolute frame? > > > > > > > > > Yes, I deny that. The laws of physics in the absolute frame are > > > > > > > > DIFFERENT than they are in inertial reference frames. That's what > > > > > > > > distinguishes the absolute rest frame. That's what it means.. > > > > > > > > Then why can't you describe the differences in the laws of physics > > > > > > > between an inertial frame and an absolute frame? > > > > > > > I have already, Ken, in this thread. I characterized how, in inertial > > > > > > reference frames, the Newtonian laws of mechanics and the laws of > > > > > > electrodynamics hold. I also described how the laws of physics would > > > > > > be different in an absolute reference frame. The properties that YOU > > > > > > think are ascribed to an absolute reference frame are incorrect.. Those > > > > > > are not the properties of an absolute reference frame. > > > > > > No....every inertial frame adopts the special properties of the > > > > > absolute frame > > > > > No, Ken, what you say are the properties of the absolute frame are NOT > > > > the properties of the absolute frame, as that word is used in physics. > > > > Sorry, you're just mistaken. > > > > No it is you who is mistaken. In the absolute frame the speed of light > > > is isotropicc; a clock in the absolute frame is the fastest running > > > clock in the universe and a meter stick in the absolute frame is the > > > longest meter stick in th euniverse. Thes exclusive preferred > > > properties are what make the absolute frame unique. > > > No sir. The term "absolute reference frame" is already taken in > > physics, and it means something completely different than what you > > have made up in your own head. > > No sir, the preferred properties of an absolute frame are exactly as I > described above. Current physics cannot give the absolute frame a > different meaning then what its preferred properties describe. Those "preferred properties" are what you made up in your own head, Ken. The meaning given to "absolute reference frame" was established long before you came along and started making stuff up, Ken. Your assertions are yours alone. You have no backup. Assertion is not an argument, Ken. Your own words. You are guilty of asserting what is contrary to what is known and documented, and assertion is not an argument.
From: kenseto on 23 Apr 2010 08:53 On Apr 22, 5:06 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 22, 2:41 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > All the book written so far gave the wrong interpretation for the > > > > properties of an absolute frame. > > > > Ken, suppose I pointed to a zebra and called it a penguin. Then > > > suppose I said that it is a penguin because it exhibits all the > > > properties of a penguin: stripes, four legs, hooves, and a tail. You > > > would laugh at me. Suppose you then pulled out a book and showed me a > > > picture of what we were looking at, and right next to it is the word > > > "zebra", and then you did the same thing with a picture and a label of > > > a penguin, so that I could see the difference. Suppose I then said > > > that all the books written so far gave the wrong interpretation of the > > > properties of penguins. You would not only laugh at me, but you would > > > know that I had lost my mind. > > > ROTFLOL....Failing to make a valid arguement so you trot out your > > ridiculus animal analogy. > > I agree the animal analogy would make it clear how ridiculous you've > been. > Anybody who would do that would be out of their mind. > Anybody who would do what you've done with physics terms would be out > of their mind, too. > That much is obvious. > > > You can deny all you want....All the properties claimed by every > > inertial observer are preferred properties of an absolute frame. > > Assertion is not an argument, Ken. Your own words. > > What I've said is reality, documented. There is no reality in what you claimed. For example: A sees B's clock is running slower by a factor of 1/gamma and B sees A's clock is running slower by a factor of 1/gamma. > You claim that reality is wrong, and the documentation is all wrong. No I claimed that what SR said is wrong. > People who claim that reality is wrong, and that all the documentation > is wrong, are generally psychotic, Ken, and suffer from a break with > reality. SR is wrong because it adopts the properties of an absolute frame and then turns around and claim that the absolute frame doesn't exist. Ken Seto > > You may want to stick to your guns, Ken, and remain unconvinced. > That's what happens with the delusional. > > > > > > > Ken Seto > > > > Ken, do you really not realize what a fool you have made of yourself? > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: kenseto on 23 Apr 2010 09:04
On Apr 22, 5:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 22, 4:03 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 22, 2:46 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 22, 10:41 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 22, 8:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 12:24 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 8:27 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2:18 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 11:11 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 1:14 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 10:05 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 5:29 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do I need to rebut what SR says? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You keep saying there is an absolute frame. SR states there is no > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute frame. If you're going to stick to your claim, you're going to > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to rebut SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sigh....SR doesn't say that. SR says that it doen't need the absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > frame after it adopted the laws of physics of the absolute frame. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop making things up, Ken. SR says no such thing. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you deny that the laws of physics in any inerial frame are the same > > > > > > > > > > as the laws of phyiscs in an absolute frame? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I deny that. The laws of physics in the absolute frame are > > > > > > > > > DIFFERENT than they are in inertial reference frames. That's what > > > > > > > > > distinguishes the absolute rest frame. That's what it means. > > > > > > > > > Then why can't you describe the differences in the laws of physics > > > > > > > > between an inertial frame and an absolute frame? > > > > > > > > I have already, Ken, in this thread. I characterized how, in inertial > > > > > > > reference frames, the Newtonian laws of mechanics and the laws of > > > > > > > electrodynamics hold. I also described how the laws of physics would > > > > > > > be different in an absolute reference frame. The properties that YOU > > > > > > > think are ascribed to an absolute reference frame are incorrect. Those > > > > > > > are not the properties of an absolute reference frame. > > > > > > > No....every inertial frame adopts the special properties of the > > > > > > absolute frame > > > > > > No, Ken, what you say are the properties of the absolute frame are NOT > > > > > the properties of the absolute frame, as that word is used in physics. > > > > > Sorry, you're just mistaken. > > > > > No it is you who is mistaken. In the absolute frame the speed of light > > > > is isotropicc; a clock in the absolute frame is the fastest running > > > > clock in the universe and a meter stick in the absolute frame is the > > > > longest meter stick in th euniverse. Thes exclusive preferred > > > > properties are what make the absolute frame unique. > > > > No sir. The term "absolute reference frame" is already taken in > > > physics, and it means something completely different than what you > > > have made up in your own head. > > > No sir, the preferred properties of an absolute frame are exactly as I > > described above. Current physics cannot give the absolute frame a > > different meaning then what its preferred properties describe. > > Those "preferred properties" are what you made up in your own head, > Ken. Wrong a clock is a preferred clock if it is the fastest running clock in the universe. That's what the definition of "preferred" means. > The meaning given to "absolute reference frame" was established long > before you came along and started making stuff up, Ken. Then you better discard those meaning. Why? Because it is wrong. > > Your assertions are yours alone. You have no backup. Assertion is not > an argument, Ken. Your own words. You are guilty of asserting what is > contrary to what is known and documented, and assertion is not an > argument. I made no assertion....the fastest running clock in the universe is a preferred clock and only a clock in a state of absolute rest can claim that. SR claims thaT FOR EVERY inertial observer. Such claim is valid only if the observed clock is in a higher state of absolute motion than the observer's clock. BTW that's the reason why SR is incomplete.....it failed to include the possibility that an observed clock can run faster than the observer's clock. Ken Seto - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |