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From: Rod Speed on 18 Mar 2010 22:16
Frank Williams wrote:

> Hard Disk Sentinel shows it as 95% good, 103 days of use.

Its never got that stuff right.

> Now has 5 Reallocated Sectors

> The last one No.4 was in November 2009 and now one today..

Its clearly dying.

> But I did get a Blue Screen what trying to transfer XP Dater using
> the WIN 7 Windows Easy Transfer tool, did show up as a USB problem,
> with copying to this drive, but that was the day before, I then decided
> to use a 4G USB stick and all was OK, 2.4G of data transferred.

Likely just a symptom of the dying drive.

> Drive is about 9 months old and SMART no longer lists any thresholds for that drive..

> Do I need to worry

Yes, its dying.

> and what is the limit given to get a replacement..?

There isnt one.



From: eyes on 19 Mar 2010 01:13
On 19/03/10 13:47, Frank Williams wrote:
>
>
> Hard Disk Sentinel shows it as 95% good, 103 days of use.
>
> Now has 5 Reallocated Sectors
>
> The last one No.4 was in November 2009 and now one today..
>
> But I did get a Blue Screen what trying to transfer XP Dater using the WIN 7
> Windows Easy Transfer tool, did show up as a USB problem, with copying to
> this drive, but that was the day before, I then decided to use a 4G USB stick
> and all was OK, 2.4G of data transferred.
>
> Drive is about 9 months old and SMART no longer lists any thresholds for that
> drive..
>
>
> Do I need to worry and what is the limit given to get a replacement..?
>
> Thanks
>

Its a tough one. Most vendors only accept returns if a manufacturer's
drive test says it is failing (which is usually a SMART threshold
check). I'm not sure that a count of 5 would be enough.

Keep an eye on it, but to be fair, you should keep an eye on all of your
drives.. you never know when they are about to fail.

Anecdotal evidence:

1. I have a 200GB drive with around 20 reallocated sectors. It got them
near the beginning of its life and hasn't changed after 5+ years of use.
2. I have 2 Seagate 1.5TB drives. These were purchased 1 year ago, and
currently show 70 and 107 reallocated sectors. Seatools says they are
still okay. I'm not sure I feel the same - although I guess these big
drives have a lot of sectors, so those counts are a very small
percentage of the total.
From: Rod Speed on 19 Mar 2010 01:19
Frank Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:16:11 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Frank Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hard Disk Sentinel shows it as 95% good, 103 days of use.
>>
>> Its never got that stuff right.
>>
>>> Now has 5 Reallocated Sectors
>>
>>> The last one No.4 was in November 2009 and now one today..
>>
>> Its clearly dying.
>>
>>> But I did get a Blue Screen what trying to transfer XP Dater using
>>> the WIN 7 Windows Easy Transfer tool, did show up as a USB problem,
>>> with copying to this drive, but that was the day before, I then
>>> decided
>>> to use a 4G USB stick and all was OK, 2.4G of data transferred.
>>
>> Likely just a symptom of the dying drive.
>>
>>> Drive is about 9 months old and SMART no longer lists any
>>> thresholds for that drive..
>>
>>> Do I need to worry
>>
>> Yes, its dying.
>>
>>> and what is the limit given to get a replacement..?
>>
>> There isnt one.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Your advise is 500% total Rubbish you know less than a Dead Rat,

This is the clown that cant even work out the significance of new reallocated sectors...

> your advise in the pass has caused me to loose a drive with your untested suggestions.

Another lie.

> Puts me in you Kill file

I'm not childish enough to use one.

> as your Name makes me puke..

Your problem, as always.



From: Rod Speed on 19 Mar 2010 01:21
eyes wrote:
> On 19/03/10 13:47, Frank Williams wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hard Disk Sentinel shows it as 95% good, 103 days of use.
>>
>> Now has 5 Reallocated Sectors
>>
>> The last one No.4 was in November 2009 and now one today..
>>
>> But I did get a Blue Screen what trying to transfer XP Dater using
>> the WIN 7 Windows Easy Transfer tool, did show up as a USB problem, with copying to this drive, but that was the day
>> before, I then
>> decided to use a 4G USB stick and all was OK, 2.4G of data
>> transferred. Drive is about 9 months old and SMART no longer lists any thresholds
>> for that drive..
>>
>>
>> Do I need to worry and what is the limit given to get a
>> replacement..? Thanks
>>
>
> Its a tough one. Most vendors only accept returns if a manufacturer's
> drive test says it is failing (which is usually a SMART threshold
> check). I'm not sure that a count of 5 would be enough.
>
> Keep an eye on it, but to be fair, you should keep an eye on all of
> your drives.. you never know when they are about to fail.
>
> Anecdotal evidence:
>
> 1. I have a 200GB drive with around 20 reallocated sectors. It got
> them near the beginning of its life and hasn't changed after 5+ years
> of use. 2. I have 2 Seagate 1.5TB drives. These were purchased 1 year ago, and
> currently show 70 and 107 reallocated sectors. Seatools says they are
> still okay. I'm not sure I feel the same - although I guess these big
> drives have a lot of sectors, so those counts are a very small
> percentage of the total.

Those are obscene numbers of reallocated sectors.

That isnt necessarily due to the drive dying tho, when you have so
many on multiple drives, its much more likely to be due to something
external to the drive like the temperature or the power supply etc.


From: eyes on 19 Mar 2010 06:08
On 19/03/10 18:21, Rod Speed wrote:
> eyes wrote:
>> On 19/03/10 13:47, Frank Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hard Disk Sentinel shows it as 95% good, 103 days of use.
>>>
>>> Now has 5 Reallocated Sectors
>>>
>>> The last one No.4 was in November 2009 and now one today..
>>>
>>> But I did get a Blue Screen what trying to transfer XP Dater using
>>> the WIN 7 Windows Easy Transfer tool, did show up as a USB problem, with copying to this drive, but that was the day
>>> before, I then
>>> decided to use a 4G USB stick and all was OK, 2.4G of data
>>> transferred. Drive is about 9 months old and SMART no longer lists any thresholds
>>> for that drive..
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I need to worry and what is the limit given to get a
>>> replacement..? Thanks
>>>
>>
>> Its a tough one. Most vendors only accept returns if a manufacturer's
>> drive test says it is failing (which is usually a SMART threshold
>> check). I'm not sure that a count of 5 would be enough.
>>
>> Keep an eye on it, but to be fair, you should keep an eye on all of
>> your drives.. you never know when they are about to fail.
>>
>> Anecdotal evidence:
>>
>> 1. I have a 200GB drive with around 20 reallocated sectors. It got
>> them near the beginning of its life and hasn't changed after 5+ years
>> of use. 2. I have 2 Seagate 1.5TB drives. These were purchased 1 year ago, and
>> currently show 70 and 107 reallocated sectors. Seatools says they are
>> still okay. I'm not sure I feel the same - although I guess these big
>> drives have a lot of sectors, so those counts are a very small
>> percentage of the total.
>
> Those are obscene numbers of reallocated sectors.

Not sure I would call that obscene. On these drives 1 sector = 512
bytes. 107 x 512 bytes = ~54K. 54K in 1,500,000,000K is probably not
significant to worry about.

>
> That isnt necessarily due to the drive dying tho, when you have so
> many on multiple drives, its much more likely to be due to something
> external to the drive like the temperature or the power supply etc.
>
>

Exactly, although I have had a 500GB Seagate and a Samsung 1.5TB in the
same case. Those drives are not reporting any reallocated sectors. Of
course that doesn't mean their firmwares handle reallocated sectors
differently and only report in SMART when they hit an internal threshold.
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