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From: Safety123 on 19 Apr 2010 15:51
I know I could have bought a bigger drive, but I'll never use all that
disk space. I have a MacBook Pro also. It's my main computer.

On the afore mentioned computer, I also need to replace the DVD drive
(I think)
The tray won't stay closed when I put a DVD in.

safety123(a)aol.com

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:54:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:45:07 -0700, Safety123
><safety123(a)invalid.aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Pentium 4 2.26 GHZ with one gig ram with a WD Caviar 80 gig
>> 800 JB. Hard drive is 2006, computer is 2002.
>>
>> I ordered a similar hard drive and wish to add it.
>
>
>You're buying another 80GB drive? These days that's absolutely tiny.
>For very little more money, you could have gotten one double the size.
>
>
>> How hard will it
>> be? Is it just a matter of connecting it?
>
>
>Assuming that there is room in the case, and you have spare connectors
>available, it's very easy. You need to do the following:
>
>1. Mount it in your case with screws.
>
>2. Plug in a power cable.
>
>3. Plug in a data cable.
>
>4. Correctly set the jumpers on the new drive and any other drive on
>the same cable (probably).
>
>5. Format the drive.
From: Lem on 19 Apr 2010 17:12
Safety123 wrote:
> The new drive is 22-136-457 HD 80G|WD 7K 8M ATA100 WD800AAJB
> My first drive is acting flaky so I would like to clone them
>
> Thank you
> safety123(a)aol.com
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:42:01 -0700, Mark Adams
> <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Safety123" wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Pentium 4 2.26 GHZ with one gig ram with a WD Caviar 80 gig
>>> 800 JB. Hard drive is 2006, computer is 2002.
>>>
>>> I ordered a similar hard drive and wish to add it. How hard will it
>>> be? Is it just a matter of connecting it?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Safety123(a)aol.com
>>> .
>>>
>> If you are adding it just for additional storage space, yes just connect the
>> cables and it should be good to go. The new drive is undoubtedly SATA; make
>> sure that your older machine has SATA ports to connect to. If not, you will
>> have to add a SATA controller card to an available PCI slot.
>>
>> If you wish to move the operating system and applications to the new drive,
>> you will need to clone the old drive to the new one. Most hard drive makers
>> have a cloning utility included in the box with the new drive. You can also
>> check their website for a cloning utility that you can download. There is
>> also a trial version of Acronis True Image that I believe can also perform
>> the cloning.

Mark made an incorrect assumption about the type of drive you bought.
You bought a PATA drive, which is the correct type for your old
computer. I won't repeat Ken's comment about drive size, to which you've
already replied, but your decision seems a bit penny wise, pound foolish.

Western Digital has some helpful tutorials (these are the ones for you,
even though your particular drive isn't listed):
http://support.wdc.com/product/install.asp?modelno=wd800aajb&x=8&y=15

If you intend to *replace* your existing drive with the new one, you
will want to "clone" the old drive onto the new one. Western Digital
supplies a free version of Acronis True Image to do this:
http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119&wdc_lang=en

Often, it's a bit simpler to do the cloning operation with the new drive
attached in an external USB case -- but that involves a small amount of
additional expense (although later, you can put the original drive in
the external case and use it for a backup drive). If you install the
new drive as a secondary (slave) drive inside your computer, triple
check to make sure which is the *source* drive (your old one) and which
is the *target* drive (the new one) *before* you start the cloning
operation. Note that you do not have to partition or format the new
drive if you are going do a cloning operation.
How to:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_sid=DgRR3QZj&p_lva=&p_li=&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_page=1&p_cv=1.123&p_pv=2.295&p_prods=227%2C295&p_cats=123&p_hidden_prods=&prod_lvl1=227&prod_lvl2=295&cat_lvl1=123&p_search_text=clone&srch_btn_submit=%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Search%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0&p_new_search=1&p_search_type=answers.search_fnl

The following is a bit old, but is from a poster in the XP newsgroups --
Anna -- who is extremely knowledgeable about cloning and disk imaging.
It is based on an older version of the commercial Acronis product, but
the interface should be very similar to what you'll see with the WD free
version.
*VERY IMPORTANT: read the "NOTE" after step 13.*

<QUOTE from Anna>
Step-by-Step Instructions for Using the Acronis True Image Program to
Backup & Restore One's Hard Drive...

Using the Acronis True Image program there are two different approaches
one can take to back up the entire contents of one's day-to-day working
HDD, i.e., the operating system, all programs & applications, and
user-created data - in short, *everything* that's on one's HDD...

1. Direct disk-to-disk cloning, or,
2. Creating disk images

By using either of these strategies the user can restore his or her
system should their day-to-day working HDD become inoperable because of
mechanical/electronic failure of the disk or corruption of the system
resulting in a dysfunctional operating system.

In undertaking either of these two backup & recovery processes you're
dealing with two hard drives - the so-called source & destination disks
- the source disk being the HDD you're backing up and the destination
disk being the HDD that will be the recipient of the cloned contents of
the source disk or the recipient of the disk image you will be creating.

When using either process it's usually best for most users to use an
external HDD as the destination drive, i.e., the recipient of the cloned
contents of the source disk or the recipient of the created disk image.
This can be either a USB or Firewire or SATA external HDD. While another
internal HDD can also serve as the destination disk there's an
additional element of safety in using an external HDD since that drive
will be ordinarily disconnected from the system except during the disk
cloning or recovery process.

One other suggestion. After you install the Acronis program on your
computer it's a good idea to create what Acronis calls their "Bootable
Rescue Media"(CD). In most cases the recovery process (described below)
will utilize that Acronis bootable CD to restore your system. This
"rescue" CD is easily created from the program by clicking on the
"Create Bootable Rescue Media" icon on the opening Acronis screen and
simply going through the screens to create the bootable CD. The
following are step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis True Image
9 program to clone the contents of one HDD to an external HDD. (The
steps are essentially the same using the newer ATI 10 version):

1. With both hard drives (source & destination disks) connected, boot
up. Ensure that no other storage devices, e.g., flash drives, ZIP
drives, etc., are connected. It's also probably a good idea to shut down
any programs you may have working in the background - including any
anti-virus anti-spyware programs - before undertaking this disk-to-disk
cloning operation.

2. Access the Acronis True Image 9 program and under "Pick a Task",
click on "Clone Disk". (In the ATI 10 version click on "Manage Hard
Disks" in the "Pick a Tool" area and on the next screen click on "Clone
Disk").

3. On the next "Welcome to the Disk Clone Wizard!" window, click Next.

4. On the next "Clone Mode" window select the Automatic option (it
should be the default option selected) and click Next.

5. On the next "Source Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct
source HDD (the disk you're cloning from) has been selected (click to
highlight). Click Next.

6. On the next "Destination Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct
destination HDD (the disk you're cloning to) has been selected (again,
click to highlight). Click Next.

7. On the next window, select the option "Delete partitions on the
destination hard disk". Understand that all data presently on the disk
that will be the recipient of the clone will be deleted prior to the
disk cloning operation. Click Next.

8. The next window will reflect the source and destination disks.
Again, confirm that the correct drives have been selected. Click Next.

9. On the next window click on the Proceed button. A message box will
display indicating that a reboot will be required to undertake the disk
cloning operation. Click Reboot.

10. The cloning operation will proceed during the reboot. With modern
components and a medium to high-powered processor, data transfer rate
will be somewhere in the range of about 450 MB/min to 800 MB/min when
cloning to a USB external HDD; considerably faster when cloning to
another internal HDD.

11. When the disk cloning operation has been completed, a message will
(usually) appear indicating the disk cloning process has been successful
and instructs you to shut down the computer by pressing any key. Do so
and disconnect your USB external HDD. If, however, the destination drive
(the recipient of the clone) has been another *internal* HDD, see the
NOTE below.

12. Note that the cloned contents now residing on the USB external HDD
take on the file system of the source drive. For example, if prior to
the disk-cloning operation your USB external HDD had been
FAT32-formatted and your XP OS was NTFS-formatted, the cloned contents
will be NTFS-formatted. There is no need to format the USB external HDD
prior to the disk-cloning operation. Similarly, there is no need prior
to the disk-cloning operation to format an internal HDD should you be
using an internal HDD as the destination drive .

13. Restoration of the system can be achieved by cloning the contents of
the data residing on the external HDD to an internal HDD through the
normal disk-cloning process as described above.

NOTE: Just one other point that should be emphasized with respect to the
disk cloning operation should the recipient of the clone be another
internal HDD and not a USB or Firewire external HDD. Immediately
following the disk cloning operation the machine should be shutdown and
the source HDD should be disconnected. Boot ONLY to the newly-cloned
drive. DO NOT BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH
DRIVES CONNECTED. There's a strong possibility that by doing so it is
likely to cause future boot problems with the cloned drive. Obviously
there is no problem in this area should a USB or Firewire EHD be the
recipient of the clone since that device is not ordinarily bootable in
an XP environment.

[portions dealing with disk imaging and recovery omitted]

<\QUOTE from Anna>

--
Lem

Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html
From: Paul on 19 Apr 2010 17:18
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:45:07 -0700, Safety123
> <safety123(a)invalid.aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Pentium 4 2.26 GHZ with one gig ram with a WD Caviar 80 gig
>> 800 JB. Hard drive is 2006, computer is 2002.
>>
>> I ordered a similar hard drive and wish to add it.
>
>
> You're buying another 80GB drive? These days that's absolutely tiny.
> For very little more money, you could have gotten one double the size.
>

I suspect he is trying to tell us, the computer has ribbon
cable interfaces (2002), and he is adding another
IDE ribbon cable drive, small enough as to not run into
48 bit LBA problems. Just a matter of getting the Master/Slave/CS
jumpering right, finding a spare IDE connector to connect to
on one of the two ribbon cables. If the disk manufacturer has
downloadable cloning software, then it may even be possible to
transfer everything with zero fuss.

(He says the new drive is WD800AAJB. Only $40.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136457&Tpk=WD800AAJB

To add a SATA drive, might require an add-in PCI card on an
older machine. That may allow larger drives to be used, but it
is hard to find nice PCI cards for that purpose. You can still
buy them, but not all the ones available are winners.

The only word of warning, with regard to cloning, is to remember
to disconnect the original disk, the first time that the computer
boots WinXP from the clone drive. Once the computer has booted at
least once with the clone, you can connect the old drive up again
later. That is a nuisance with IDE, due to the jumpering, using
the proper connector for a single drive and so on. If you have a
single drive on an IDE cable, it goes on the end connector, NOT the middle one.

Paul
From: Rich on 19 Apr 2010 18:02


"Safety123" <safety123(a)invalid.aol.com> wrote in message
news:vqcps5dukfi19qemt7kicfvqmn00mm1bu7(a)4ax.com...
> The new drive is 22-136-457 HD 80G|WD 7K 8M ATA100 WD800AAJB
> My first drive is acting flaky so I would like to clone them
>
> Thank you
> safety123(a)aol.com
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:42:01 -0700, Mark Adams
> <MarkAdams(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Safety123" wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Pentium 4 2.26 GHZ with one gig ram with a WD Caviar 80 gig
>>> 800 JB. Hard drive is 2006, computer is 2002.
>>>
>>> I ordered a similar hard drive and wish to add it. How hard will it
>>> be? Is it just a matter of connecting it?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Safety123(a)aol.com
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>If you are adding it just for additional storage space, yes just connect
>>the
>>cables and it should be good to go. The new drive is undoubtedly SATA;
>>make
>>sure that your older machine has SATA ports to connect to. If not, you
>>will
>>have to add a SATA controller card to an available PCI slot.
>>
>>If you wish to move the operating system and applications to the new
>>drive,
>>you will need to clone the old drive to the new one. Most hard drive
>>makers
>>have a cloning utility included in the box with the new drive. You can
>>also
>>check their website for a cloning utility that you can download. There is
>>also a trial version of Acronis True Image that I believe can also perform
>>the cloning.
>
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If you have time to cancel that order, I would consider buying a larger
size. For about the same price of an 80G ATA drive, you can get a 250g
drive. I was always curious why on-line sellers still list the 80G for the
same price as a 250G, wondering who would buy it. I recently purchased a WD
250G ATA drive from ZIPZOOMFLY for about $58 to upgrade a very old system
(older than your Dell).
Rich


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From: Anna on 19 Apr 2010 18:24

"Lem" <lemp40(a)unknownhost> wrote in message
news:OCvSBUA4KHA.4332(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
(SNIP)...
> The following is a bit old, but is from a poster in the XP newsgroups --
> Anna -- who is extremely knowledgeable about cloning and disk imaging. It
> is based on an older version of the commercial Acronis product, but the
> interface should be very similar to what you'll see with the WD free
> version.
> *VERY IMPORTANT: read the "NOTE" after step 13.*
>
> <QUOTE from Anna>
> Step-by-Step Instructions for Using the Acronis True Image Program to
> Backup & Restore One's Hard Drive...
>
> Using the Acronis True Image program there are two different approaches
> one can take to back up the entire contents of one's day-to-day working
> HDD, i.e., the operating system, all programs & applications, and
> user-created data - in short, *everything* that's on one's HDD...
>
> 1. Direct disk-to-disk cloning, or,
> 2. Creating disk images
(SNIP)...
> NOTE: Just one other point that should be emphasized with respect to the
> disk cloning operation should the recipient of the clone be another
> internal HDD and not a USB or Firewire external HDD. Immediately following
> the disk cloning operation the machine should be shutdown and the source
> HDD should be disconnected. Boot ONLY to the newly-cloned drive. DO NOT
> BOOT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CLONING OPERATION WITH BOTH DRIVES
> CONNECTED. There's a strong possibility that by doing so it is likely to
> cause future boot problems with the cloned drive. Obviously there is no
> problem in this area should a USB or Firewire EHD be the recipient of the
> clone since that device is not ordinarily bootable in an XP environment.
>
> <\QUOTE from Anna>
>
> --
> Lem
>
> Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:
> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html


Lem:
As you possibly may know from my previous posts re this issue of
disk-cloning/disk-imaging, I'm a rather passionate supporter of the Casper 6
disk-cloning program and strongly recommend that program for most PC users
as a comprehensive backup tool.

(I recognize this is probably of little interest to the OP since I take it
he/she is primarily or exclusively concerned with just cloning the contents
of his/her (apparently) failing HDD to a newer HDD. And it appears he/she
may have other problems as well!)

The reason for this post is in connection with my cautionary "NOTE" (above
quoted) with respect to the ATI program. I wanted to mention that one of the
principal reasons we prefer the Casper program to other disk-cloning
programs (such as the Acronis one) is that unlike those other programs
Casper completely avoids that potential problem that I referred to.

Over the past two years or so since we began working with the Casper
disk-cloning program we've performed (or have been involved with) hundreds
of disk-cloning operations involving a wide variety of PC makes/models, HDDs
(both PATA & SATA), etc. During that time we have never encountered a
*single* occurrence of the problem alluded to. That is to say a user could
clone the contents of his/her "source" HDD to another *internal* HDD and
there would be no (possible) subsequent problem affecting the boot
capability of the destination (cloned) HDD even when the system was booted
to the source HDD with the cloned HDD connected *immediately* following the
disk-cloning operation.

Under that scenario the cloned HDD would of course be treated as a secondary
HDD with a drive letter assignment of (obviously) other than C:. However,
should the source HDD be later disconnected so that the boot would involve
*only* the newly cloned HDD, that drive would boot without incident an be
assigned the "normal" drive letter assignment of C:.

Furthermore, should both HDDs be connected in the system and the user
changes the setting of the BIOS boot priority order to accommodate a first
boot to the cloned HDD, similarly that HDD will boot without incident. And,
of course, the former source HDD would then be treated by the system as a
secondary HDD as would be expected under those circumstances.

And should (for some reason) the user decide to boot to the original source
HDD at some subsequent time, the boot to that drive would proceed normally.

I thought the above info might be of some interest to you & others.
Anna


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