Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?
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From: Char Jackson on 24 Mar 2010 14:06 On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:48:20 -0400, Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote: >In article <qluiq59i975s6scc2slnl6gf6fcc02onvr(a)4ax.com>, >none(a)none.invalid says... >> >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:14:24 -0400, "David H. Lipman" >> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote: >> >> >From: "Char Jackson" <none(a)none.invalid> >> > >> >| On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama >> >| <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> > >> >>>People I meet have many times asked me if they should shut their Windows >> >>>computers off at night, and I always say, "Yes, keep your PC off unless >> >>>you are using it." >> > >> >>>I figure if it's off, an infected computer can do less damage. >> > >> >| I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, the >> >| primary reason for turning a system off is to save electricity. >> > >> > >> >Actualy the quiescent temperature is better since you dont have hard drive warming >> >exapnsion and drive cooling contraction cycles adding tom the wear and tear factor and >> >aging of a hard disk. >> >> Probably true, but I have no evidence, even anecdotal evidence, to >> indicate that it makes an appreciable difference in equipment life. :) > >If you've worked with Electronics for any length of time, Just over 45 years. The end is in sight. :) >and with >devices that have bearings, you would know, without guessing, that >turning off a device increases chances of a problem when you try and use >it again. There are also times when a device fails due to normal >wear/tear/age.... I know what you're saying is a commonly held belief. I used to repeat it myself, but I have to admit that looking back over the last 20-30 years that it simply isn't true. I think it used to be true in the days of vacuum tubes, but not since then. Here's someone who agrees with me, or vice versa: <http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers-questions.html#turnoff> <http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-juice-is-your-computer-using-at-night-145/> The articles are mostly about saving energy, but they touch on the power cycle issue, as well.
From: Wolf K on 24 Mar 2010 14:43 RayLopez99 wrote: > On Mar 24, 1:52 pm, Leythos <spam999f...(a)rrohio.com> wrote: > >>> Ancient history, like your name. >>> Goodbye Leythos (sounds Greek to me!) >> I see you've graduated to troll status. >> > > Who cares? You like attribution it seems--so if you're American you > voted against Obama because he's black? And you know the stats about > blacks...crimes and stuff. > > Troll or not, my points stand. Your 'point' is on your head. Quit > reading the signature line and start reading the content of the post. > > RL Well, Ray, or whatever your name is, you've just earned yourself the twit of the year award. Have fun slooshing around in your muck. wolf k.
From: Leythos on 24 Mar 2010 14:59 In article <8jkkq5tlr3dutamm47jm9j0184lc3e57cu(a)4ax.com>, none(a)none.invalid says... > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:48:20 -0400, Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> > wrote: > > >In article <qluiq59i975s6scc2slnl6gf6fcc02onvr(a)4ax.com>, > >none(a)none.invalid says... > >> > >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:14:24 -0400, "David H. Lipman" > >> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote: > >> > >> >From: "Char Jackson" <none(a)none.invalid> > >> > > >> >| On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama > >> >| <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >>>People I meet have many times asked me if they should shut their Windows > >> >>>computers off at night, and I always say, "Yes, keep your PC off unless > >> >>>you are using it." > >> > > >> >>>I figure if it's off, an infected computer can do less damage. > >> > > >> >| I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, the > >> >| primary reason for turning a system off is to save electricity. > >> > > >> > > >> >Actualy the quiescent temperature is better since you dont have hard drive warming > >> >exapnsion and drive cooling contraction cycles adding tom the wear and tear factor and > >> >aging of a hard disk. > >> > >> Probably true, but I have no evidence, even anecdotal evidence, to > >> indicate that it makes an appreciable difference in equipment life. :) > > > >If you've worked with Electronics for any length of time, > > Just over 45 years. The end is in sight. :) > > >and with > >devices that have bearings, you would know, without guessing, that > >turning off a device increases chances of a problem when you try and use > >it again. There are also times when a device fails due to normal > >wear/tear/age.... > > I know what you're saying is a commonly held belief. I used to repeat > it myself, but I have to admit that looking back over the last 20-30 > years that it simply isn't true. I think it used to be true in the > days of vacuum tubes, but not since then. > > Here's someone who agrees with me, or vice versa: > <http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/computers-questions.html#turnoff> > <http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-much-juice-is-your-computer-using-at-night-145/> > > The articles are mostly about saving energy, but they touch on the > power cycle issue, as well. Having designed hardware for decades and been responsible for failure analysis, I can assure you that turning off computers does contribute to their failure when you power them back on again. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: gufus on 24 Mar 2010 16:13 From: RayLopez99 Subj: Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Hello, RayLopez99! You wrote on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT): R> It compares 16 commercial programs, and finds Microsoft at #2, R> catching 60% of all viruses (Avanti is #1 at 70%). And we're taking R> about all viruses, some of which as so obscure I'm sure you'll never R> seen one in the wild... Avira Premium came out with version 10, haven't looked at it much yet. It was automatically updated on my server. gufus -- K Klement Enhance your marketing at http://www.gypsy-designs.com mailto:info(a)gypsy-designs.com Gypsy Designs Fax: (403) 242-3221
From: Dustin Cook on 24 Mar 2010 17:15
Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in news:MPG.2613c60ff8cac8798a1fa(a)us.news.astraweb.com: > In article <qluiq59i975s6scc2slnl6gf6fcc02onvr(a)4ax.com>, > none(a)none.invalid says... >> >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:14:24 -0400, "David H. Lipman" >> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote: >> >> >From: "Char Jackson" <none(a)none.invalid> >> > >> >| On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama >> >| <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> > >> >>>People I meet have many times asked me if they should shut their >> >>>Windows computers off at night, and I always say, "Yes, keep your >> >>>PC off unless you are using it." >> > >> >>>I figure if it's off, an infected computer can do less damage. >> > >> >| I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, >> >| the primary reason for turning a system off is to save >> >| electricity. >> > >> > >> >Actualy the quiescent temperature is better since you dont have hard >> >drive warming exapnsion and drive cooling contraction cycles adding >> >tom the wear and tear factor and aging of a hard disk. >> >> Probably true, but I have no evidence, even anecdotal evidence, to >> indicate that it makes an appreciable difference in equipment life. >> :) > > If you've worked with Electronics for any length of time, and with > devices that have bearings, you would know, without guessing, that > turning off a device increases chances of a problem when you try and > use it again. There are also times when a device fails due to normal > wear/tear/age.... > That's what I consider to be... common sense, but as you point out, You probably won't know this if you haven't been a geek at some point. :) -- "Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh.. nudge this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior |