Seriously, has anybody ever seen a serious virus problem in Windows when using AV protection?
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From: Dewey Edwards on 26 Mar 2010 08:58 On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:31:57 -0400, ToolPackinMama <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On 3/23/2010 10:38 PM, Char Jackson wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:14:24 -0400, "David H. Lipman" >> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote: >> >>> From: "Char Jackson"<none(a)none.invalid> >>> >>> | On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:57:13 -0400, ToolPackinMama >>> |<philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>>> People I meet have many times asked me if they should shut their Windows >>>>> computers off at night, and I always say, "Yes, keep your PC off unless >>>>> you are using it." >>> >>>>> I figure if it's off, an infected computer can do less damage. >>> >>> | I agree with the advice, although I don't follow it myself. To me, the >>> | primary reason for turning a system off is to save electricity. >>> >>> >>> Actualy the quiescent temperature is better since you dont have hard drive warming >>> exapnsion and drive cooling contraction cycles adding tom the wear and tear factor and >>> aging of a hard disk. >> >> Probably true, but I have no evidence, even anecdotal evidence, to >> indicate that it makes an appreciable difference in equipment life. :) >> > >I feel constrained to point out that if they can't be bothered to keep >their PC free of malware, that it's probably better if their equipment >fails sooner. > Tough love. :)
From: James Egan on 26 Mar 2010 09:34 On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:48:42 -0400, Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote: >While chip creep may only apply to socketed chips, I've seen chips, >actually the pins, come unsoldered by hot/cold cycles. We had a real >issue with that in the military in at one point. From the keyboard of the world's leading googler who's been there and done that before everyone else. lol
From: FromTheRafters on 26 Mar 2010 18:10 "ToolPackinMama" <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:hohd1r$ndr$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > FromTheRafters wrote: > >> You need AV to guard against the off chance that you encounter a >> virus. > > In Windows, yes, AV is absolutely necessary. Some people seem to be > asserting that it is not necessary with Linux. Is that true? It is needed in Linux to the same extent that it *should* be needed in Windows. That is to say it would be needed to protect against the slight chance that a *virus* could invade. If you discount exploit based malware, most other malware could be evaded with policy. It is possible for viruses to invade without either exploited software vulnerabilities or lapse in strict adherence to policy.
From: FromTheRafters on 26 Mar 2010 18:26 "ToolPackinMama" <philnblanc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:hohpo8$gu1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org.. [...] > ...She never actually uses her computer. Ahhh, the epitome of safe computing practices. ....but for security, it should be de-energized, encased in concrete, and buried deep. :o)
From: FromTheRafters on 26 Mar 2010 18:50
"RayLopez99" <raylopez88(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:ee8d20b6-4ef5-4df9-995b-6753c88a81cf(a)z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... [...] But the bottom line is that AV vendors have an incentive to hype up lack of security, and i've not seen it done, ergo,there's no problem to hype. *** Yes, but the existance of today's AV was born from the real need to be able to detect *viruses*. The fact that it has become perverted into what we see today does not negate that actual need (in *any* general purpose computer running any OS). Yes, they expanded their role to guard against threats that they should never have gotten the opportunity to scan, they should have been excluded from the local environment by policy. Users liked to use these scanners so that they could ignore policy (my AV program will save me, that's what it's for). Enforcing policy through software led to the concept of privilege escalation to circumvent policy - and worms usually attack software vulnerabilities that result in circumventing policy enforcement. Generally, (true) worms make holes in the boundaries with which we try to enforce policy. *** |