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From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 20 Feb 2010 11:02
"Captain Obvious" <udodenko(a)users.sourceforge.net> writes:

> ??>> So we have a complete set of .kl files for the system and a backend
> ??>> translator into CL. On the basis of experience writing this program,
> ??>> it should take no more than 10K or 300 LOC to move Shen to any
> ??>> suitable platform. SB> Do you mean 10 000 to 300 000 lines of
> code?
>
> I think he meant 10 kb (10000 characters) which is 300 LOC.

10000 bits are 1250 iso-8859-1 characters, unless compression is used.
With only about 4 character per line, that would make 300 quite useless
lines...


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From: Captain Obvious on 20 Feb 2010 11:40
??>>>> So we have a complete set of .kl files for the system and a backend
??>>>> translator into CL. On the basis of experience writing this
??>>>> program, it should take no more than 10K or 300 LOC to move Shen to
??>>>> any suitable platform. SB> Do you mean 10 000 to 300 000 lines of
??>> code?
??>>
??>> I think he meant 10 kb (10000 characters) which is 300 LOC.

PJB> 10000 bits are 1250 iso-8859-1 characters, unless compression is used.
PJB> With only about 4 character per line, that would make 300 quite
PJB> useless lines...

"10000 characters" clarified abbreviation, didn't it?

From: Pascal Costanza on 20 Feb 2010 12:32
On 20/02/2010 17:00, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> Mark Tarver<dr.mtarver(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 20 Feb, 14:21, Slobodan Blazeski<slobodan.blaze...(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Feb 20, 11:15 am, Mark Tarver<dr.mtar...(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> For newcomers this notice relates to the ongoing Shen (Qi III) project
>>>> described in
>>>
>>>> http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/nextlisp(3).htmhttp://www.lambdas...
>>>
>>>> to create a super-portable Qi based on a very compact Lisp - K Lambda
>>>> - about 20X smaller than CL wrt system functions.
>>>
>>>> For those innocent of Taoist terminology the significance of the title
>>>> 'Shen' wrt this project is explained here
>>>
>>>> http://www.lambdassociates.org/shen.htm
>>>
>>>> Earlier this month the native CL code used to code Qi was completely
>>>> removed leaving only Qi in Qi as the specification language. A
>>>> specially rigged CL image of Qi called 'boot' was created to generate
>>>> K Lambda (.kl) files for the whole system.
>>>
>>>> So we have a complete set of .kl files for the system and a backend
>>>> translator into CL. On the basis of experience writing this program,
>>>> it should take no more than 10K or 300 LOC to move Shen to any
>>>> suitable platform.
>>>
>>> Do you mean 10 000 to 300 000 lines of code?
>>> 300 000 is gargantuan project and even 10 000 is a lot for a kernel
>>> language even if those lines are aimed toward low level language as c.
>>>
>>> Slobodan- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> No 300 LOC means 300 lines of code; 10K is just the approximate disk
>> space taken.
>
> 10,000 disk blocks is a lot of space....

LOL

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From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 20 Feb 2010 13:42
"Captain Obvious" <udodenko(a)users.sourceforge.net> writes:

> ??>>>> So we have a complete set of .kl files for the system and a backend
> ??>>>> translator into CL. On the basis of experience writing this
> ??>>>> program, it should take no more than 10K or 300 LOC to move Shen to
> ??>>>> any suitable platform. SB> Do you mean 10 000 to 300 000 lines of
> ??>> code?
> ??>>
> ??>> I think he meant 10 kb (10000 characters) which is 300 LOC.
>
> PJB> 10000 bits are 1250 iso-8859-1 characters, unless compression is used.
> PJB> With only about 4 character per line, that would make 300 quite
> PJB> useless lines...
>
> "10000 characters" clarified abbreviation, didn't it?

There's an internationnal standard, the International System of Units
(SI) that specifies that units are case sensitive. mS doesn't mean at
all what Ms means. The first is milli-siemens, the later is
mega-seconds.

There's an IEEE 1541-2002 standard that formalizes a practice that is
probably older than you, in which b is the abbreviation of bit and B the
abbreviation of byte.


If you defined c to be the abbreviation of character then you could
write:

10 kc meaning 10000 characters, which could be 40000 bits.
10 kB meaning 10000 bytes, which could be 90000 bits.
10 kb meaning 10000 bits.

(and bot 10 kC which means 10000 coulombs).


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From: Tom Davies on 20 Feb 2010 17:36
On Feb 21, 5:42 am, p...(a)informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)
wrote:

> If you defined c to be the abbreviation of character

Which would have been a bad idea before 1960, when Hz was adopted as
an SI unit, as kc was used for kilocycles :-)

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