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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov on 14 Jun 2010 15:13 Hi Ludovic! As a Debian insider do you know the reason why Debian packages seem so outdated? It is not only gcc, I am packaging my stuff for Debian and to my amazement discovered that GtkSourceView is ancient. (Let's forget about apt used instead of rpm and yum (:-)) Is it Debian policy or lack of resources? -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
From: Ludovic Brenta on 14 Jun 2010 16:46 "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox(a)dmitry-kazakov.de> writes: > Hi Ludovic! > > As a Debian insider do you know the reason why Debian packages seem so > outdated? It is not only gcc, I am packaging my stuff for Debian and > to my amazement discovered that GtkSourceView is ancient. (Let's > forget about apt used instead of rpm and yum (:-)) (you're right, apt did automatic package dependencies long before yum even existed :) ) > Is it Debian policy or lack of resources? Which GtkSourceView package are you talking about and which version of Debian are you running? http://bugs.debian.org/558676 RM: gtksourceview -- ROM; old, superseded, unmaintained upstream http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gtksourceview2 says the current version is 2.10.3-1; is that "ancient"? PS. Debian policy is to *always* build packages on unstable unless you want to fix a security bug in stable. -- Ludovic Brenta.
From: Dmitry A. Kazakov on 14 Jun 2010 18:41 On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:46:50 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > Which GtkSourceView package are you talking about and which version of > Debian are you running? The latest one, fully updated: Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny) Release: 5.0.4 Codename: lenny dpkg -l shows: libgtksourceview2.0-dev 2.2.2-1 Linking to it gives unresolved references: gtk_source_view_set_mark_category_background gtk_source_view_get_mark_category_background gtk_source_view_set_draw_spaces gtk_source_language_manager_guess_language > http://bugs.debian.org/558676 RM: gtksourceview -- ROM; old, superseded, unmaintained upstream > > http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gtksourceview2 > > says the current version is 2.10.3-1; is that "ancient"? That could be better (by comparing version numbers (:-)), the only question is how to get at it. Update/upgrade does not help. > PS. Debian policy is to *always* build packages on unstable unless you > want to fix a security bug in stable. Yet gcc is still at 4.3. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
From: Georg Bauhaus on 14 Jun 2010 19:25 Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:46:50 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > >> Which GtkSourceView package are you talking about and which version of >> Debian are you running? > > The latest one, fully updated: > > Distributor ID: Debian > Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny) > Release: 5.0.4 > Codename: lenny > > dpkg -l shows: > > libgtksourceview2.0-dev 2.2.2-1 >> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gtksourceview2 >> >> says the current version is 2.10.3-1; is that "ancient"? > > That could be better (by comparing version numbers (:-)), the only question > is how to get at it. Update/upgrade does not help. 2.10.3-1 is from the "testing" distribution (sid).
From: Ludovic Brenta on 15 Jun 2010 02:23
"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox(a)dmitry-kazakov.de> writes: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:46:50 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > >> Which GtkSourceView package are you talking about and which version of >> Debian are you running? > > The latest one, fully updated: > > Distributor ID: Debian > Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny) > Release: 5.0.4 > Codename: lenny > > dpkg -l shows: > > libgtksourceview2.0-dev 2.2.2-1 OK, that's Debian 5.0 "Lenny" which was released in February 2009. No wonder the packages in it are > 1.5 years old. > Linking to it gives unresolved references: > > gtk_source_view_set_mark_category_background > gtk_source_view_get_mark_category_background > gtk_source_view_set_draw_spaces > gtk_source_language_manager_guess_language > >> http://bugs.debian.org/558676 RM: gtksourceview -- ROM; old, superseded, unmaintained upstream >> >> http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gtksourceview2 >> >> says the current version is 2.10.3-1; is that "ancient"? > > That could be better (by comparing version numbers (:-)), the only question > is how to get at it. Update/upgrade does not help. > >> PS. Debian policy is to *always* build packages on unstable unless you >> want to fix a security bug in stable. > > Yet gcc is still at 4.3. Feel free to continue using stable as your main system; you can either upgrade it to unstable or install unstable in a chroot, see [1]. [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-ada/2010/02/msg00003.html If you want to upgrade your main system instead, there is an Ada-specific recipe for that in the upcoming Debian Policy for Ada (Fifth Edition) which I'm about to publish in a few days (I'm waiting for the availablility of GNAT GPL 2010): http://green.ada-france.org:8081/revision/file/77ab86dc2e38b0012c38bae2d61dd134d2c1db70/debian-ada-policy.texi Look for "In-place upgrades". -- Ludovic Brenta. |