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From: John on 19 Nov 2009 16:43
I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, and Time Machine will
not stay locked over reboots. I keep locking it, it keeps
unlocking. The same thing happened when I first upgraded to
Leopard. I had to post, and someone told me to do something
like jump up and down on my left foot while waving my arms
and facing North, when the moon was full, and the sun was
shining... or something like that... and it then stayed locked.

But this is Windoze nonsense. And they didn't fix whatever it
is after all this time.

How does one make the lock "stick"?

Thanks.
From: David Empson on 19 Nov 2009 18:01
John <jhy001(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

> I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, and Time Machine will
> not stay locked over reboots. I keep locking it, it keeps
> unlocking. The same thing happened when I first upgraded to
> Leopard. I had to post, and someone told me to do something
> like jump up and down on my left foot while waving my arms
> and facing North, when the moon was full, and the sun was
> shining... or something like that... and it then stayed locked.
>
> But this is Windoze nonsense. And they didn't fix whatever it
> is after all this time.
>
> How does one make the lock "stick"?

What do you mean by "the lock"? Are you referring to the padlock in the
bottom left corner of System Preferences panes (including the Time
Machine pane)?

This controls whether you need to enter an administration password
before making changes in most System Preferences panes. (Some panes
always do that, including Security and Accounts.)

If you want the padlock to be locked by default in all panes where it is
available, then go to System Preferences > Security > General, click the
padlock to unlock and enter your admin password (if necessary), then
check the option "Require a password to unlock each System Preferences
pane".

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David Empson
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: John on 19 Nov 2009 19:36
David Empson wrote:
> John <jhy001(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, and Time Machine will
>> not stay locked over reboots. I keep locking it, it keeps
>> unlocking. The same thing happened when I first upgraded to
>> Leopard. I had to post, and someone told me to do something
>> like jump up and down on my left foot while waving my arms
>> and facing North, when the moon was full, and the sun was
>> shining... or something like that... and it then stayed locked.
>>
>> But this is Windoze nonsense. And they didn't fix whatever it
>> is after all this time.
>>
>> How does one make the lock "stick"?
>
> What do you mean by "the lock"? Are you referring to the padlock in the
> bottom left corner of System Preferences panes (including the Time
> Machine pane)?

Yes.

> This controls whether you need to enter an administration password
> before making changes in most System Preferences panes. (Some panes
> always do that, including Security and Accounts.)

Yes, I know that is what it is for.

> If you want the padlock to be locked by default in all panes where it is

I don't want that. I just want the lock on Time Machine to stay locked
when I lock it. Is that too much to ask? Other settings "stick" why
not this one??? Sure sounds like a bug to me. If it isn't going to
"stick" why not just make it "informational" and not able to be
toggled where you assume that it will "stick"???

> available, then go to System Preferences > Security > General, click the
> padlock to unlock and enter your admin password (if necessary), then
> check the option "Require a password to unlock each System Preferences
> pane".


From: David Empson on 19 Nov 2009 20:57
Dave Balderstone <dave(a)N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

> In article <4B05BC08.7090504(a)earthlink.net>, John
> <jhy001(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, and Time Machine will
> > not stay locked over reboots. I keep locking it, it keeps
> > unlocking. The same thing happened when I first upgraded to
> > Leopard. I had to post, and someone told me to do something
> > like jump up and down on my left foot while waving my arms
> > and facing North, when the moon was full, and the sun was
> > shining... or something like that... and it then stayed locked.
> >
> > But this is Windoze nonsense. And they didn't fix whatever it
> > is after all this time.
> >
> > How does one make the lock "stick"?
>
> When I go to the Time Machine pref pane, it's unlocked. Clicking the
> lock icon does nothing. It simply refuses to lock.
>
> Security pref panes setting are locked, and "Require a password to
> unlock each System Preferences pane" is NOT checked.
>
> Bug? Can anyone else confirm?

Works fine for me, so it may be something specific to your system.

> OSX 10.6.2, MacBook Pro.

Ditto. (And I have the same setting under security.)

--
David Empson
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: David Empson on 19 Nov 2009 20:57
John <jhy001(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

> David Empson wrote:
> > John <jhy001(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I upgraded to Snow Leopard from Leopard, and Time Machine will
> >> not stay locked over reboots. I keep locking it, it keeps
> >> unlocking. The same thing happened when I first upgraded to
> >> Leopard. I had to post, and someone told me to do something
> >> like jump up and down on my left foot while waving my arms
> >> and facing North, when the moon was full, and the sun was
> >> shining... or something like that... and it then stayed locked.
> >>
> >> But this is Windoze nonsense. And they didn't fix whatever it
> >> is after all this time.
> >>
> >> How does one make the lock "stick"?
> >
> > What do you mean by "the lock"? Are you referring to the padlock in the
> > bottom left corner of System Preferences panes (including the Time
> > Machine pane)?
>
> Yes.
>
> > This controls whether you need to enter an administration password
> > before making changes in most System Preferences panes. (Some panes
> > always do that, including Security and Accounts.)
>
> Yes, I know that is what it is for.
>
> > If you want the padlock to be locked by default in all panes where it is
>
> I don't want that. I just want the lock on Time Machine to stay locked
> when I lock it. Is that too much to ask?

You cannot control the padlock state for individual preference panes. It
is a global state for all of System Preferences. If you lock or unlock
one preference pane, all preference panes will be locked or unlocked
simultaneously.

As far as I recall, this aspect of System Preferences has worked the
same way in every version of Mac OS X.

(An admin user can see System Preferences in a state where the security
related panes are locked and the rest are unlocked, but this is a
temporary state which goes away as soon as you lock or unlock any
preference pane.)

> Other settings "stick" why not this one???

Because it isn't a setting. It is just the current security state of
System Preferences for the current user.

The default state (after login) is controlled by the user type (admin vs
normal) and the preference I mentioned earlier.

> Sure sounds like a bug to me. If it isn't going to "stick" why not just
> make it "informational" and not able to be toggled where you assume that
> it will "stick"???

Being able to temporarily lock it while logged in as an admin user is a
dubiously useful feature, e.g. if you want to leave your computer
unattended or let someone else use it, without them being able to change
system-wide preferences.

It is useful if you want to change a preference while logged in as a
non-admin user: unlock with admin user name and password, change
setting, then lock again afterwards.

If you have other users on the computer, they should be set up with
their own user accounts. If those accounts don't have admin rights, they
won't be able to change Time Machine or other system-wide preferences.
If they have admin rights, they will be able to unlock System
Preferences anyway, no matter what you do with the padlock.

If you want System Preferences to behave differently, then complaining
about it here won't achieve anything. File a feature request with Apple.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

--
David Empson
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
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