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From: krw on 18 Apr 2010 16:09 On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:47:41 -0600, hamilton <hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: >On 4/18/2010 9:31 AM, Don Lancaster wrote: >> On 4/18/2010 7:21 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >>> On 18/04/2010 08:02, eryer wrote: >>>> On 17 Apr, 21:14, Don Lancaster<d...(a)tinaja.com> wrote: >>>>> They also often fail to include the synchronous inverter costs, >>>>> which in >>>>> many situations will consume 150 percent of the value of ALL the >>>>> electricity sent through iit. And not using a synchronous inverter, of >>>>> course, is ridiculously more costly. >>>> >>>> Interesting...any link? >>>> >>>> About my first post, any suggestion? >>>> Thanks >>> >>> This is like saying that PC power supplies will dissipate more power >>> than the rest of the PC combined. If you want to see where the market is >>> going on converters, look to the PC PSU market and costs for a mature >>> and very similar example ie 5c a Watt and 80%+ efficiency >>> >> >> >> If a naive homeowner tries to buy a synchronous inverter for a 1500 watt >> system, its typical retail cost (plus shipping and installation, of >> course) will be around $2500. >> >> It thus gobbles gone all pv electricity sent through it and then some. >> >> There is no reason the $2500 device should cost more than $9. > >Its a free market. > >Build them and sell them for $2000. > >This would start the price war and within, says 6 weeks, the price will >drop to $9. > >Isn't the free market the way to go ?? > Nah, free markets are so last century. We're into government subsidies now.
From: hamilton on 18 Apr 2010 18:55 On 4/18/2010 2:09 PM, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:47:41 -0600, hamilton<hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: > >> On 4/18/2010 9:31 AM, Don Lancaster wrote: >>> On 4/18/2010 7:21 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >>>> On 18/04/2010 08:02, eryer wrote: >>>>> On 17 Apr, 21:14, Don Lancaster<d...(a)tinaja.com> wrote: >>>>>> They also often fail to include the synchronous inverter costs, >>>>>> which in >>>>>> many situations will consume 150 percent of the value of ALL the >>>>>> electricity sent through iit. And not using a synchronous inverter, of >>>>>> course, is ridiculously more costly. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting...any link? >>>>> >>>>> About my first post, any suggestion? >>>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> This is like saying that PC power supplies will dissipate more power >>>> than the rest of the PC combined. If you want to see where the market is >>>> going on converters, look to the PC PSU market and costs for a mature >>>> and very similar example ie 5c a Watt and 80%+ efficiency >>>> >>> >>> >>> If a naive homeowner tries to buy a synchronous inverter for a 1500 watt >>> system, its typical retail cost (plus shipping and installation, of >>> course) will be around $2500. >>> >>> It thus gobbles gone all pv electricity sent through it and then some. >>> >>> There is no reason the $2500 device should cost more than $9. >> >> Its a free market. >> >> Build them and sell them for $2000. >> >> This would start the price war and within, says 6 weeks, the price will >> drop to $9. >> >> Isn't the free market the way to go ?? >> > > Nah, free markets are so last century. We're into government subsidies now. So the new free market model is "Government Subsidies" . Like the plans last century to get a bunch of free market thinkers (old school) to invest in junk securities ? Bet they will lose and then collect on the taxpayer bailout ? But the US had to elect a democrat to get the payout so the republicans won't be the ones to be holding the bag. That new free market model ?? hamilton :-)
From: Don Lancaster on 18 Apr 2010 19:47 On 4/18/2010 12:55 PM, dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > PV /is/ neat--who doesn't like running stuff off sunlight?--it just > isn't anywhere near cost parity yet, not even for grid-tied systems, > and especially not when you need storage. > > -- > Cheers, > James Arthur Only lets tell the truth about it: Today, pv is a "very neat" and "rather subtle" gasoline destroying net energy sink that remains in no manner renewable nor sustainable. <http://www.tinaja.com/glib/nrglect2.pdf> -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don(a)tinaja.com Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
From: krw on 18 Apr 2010 21:49 On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:55:07 -0600, hamilton <hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: >On 4/18/2010 2:09 PM, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:47:41 -0600, hamilton<hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4/18/2010 9:31 AM, Don Lancaster wrote: >>>> On 4/18/2010 7:21 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >>>>> On 18/04/2010 08:02, eryer wrote: >>>>>> On 17 Apr, 21:14, Don Lancaster<d...(a)tinaja.com> wrote: >>>>>>> They also often fail to include the synchronous inverter costs, >>>>>>> which in >>>>>>> many situations will consume 150 percent of the value of ALL the >>>>>>> electricity sent through iit. And not using a synchronous inverter, of >>>>>>> course, is ridiculously more costly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Interesting...any link? >>>>>> >>>>>> About my first post, any suggestion? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> This is like saying that PC power supplies will dissipate more power >>>>> than the rest of the PC combined. If you want to see where the market is >>>>> going on converters, look to the PC PSU market and costs for a mature >>>>> and very similar example ie 5c a Watt and 80%+ efficiency >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If a naive homeowner tries to buy a synchronous inverter for a 1500 watt >>>> system, its typical retail cost (plus shipping and installation, of >>>> course) will be around $2500. >>>> >>>> It thus gobbles gone all pv electricity sent through it and then some. >>>> >>>> There is no reason the $2500 device should cost more than $9. >>> >>> Its a free market. >>> >>> Build them and sell them for $2000. >>> >>> This would start the price war and within, says 6 weeks, the price will >>> drop to $9. >>> >>> Isn't the free market the way to go ?? >>> >> >> Nah, free markets are so last century. We're into government subsidies now. > >So the new free market model is "Government Subsidies" . Wooosssshhhhh! >Like the plans last century to get a bunch of free market thinkers (old >school) to invest in junk securities ? Last century? Your question is nonsensical. Crony capitalism <> free market >Bet they will lose and then collect on the taxpayer bailout ? If you're talking about the recent bank fiasco, they did both and were encouraged to do so. >But the US had to elect a democrat to get the payout so the republicans >won't be the ones to be holding the bag. You are a fool. >That new free market model ?? Are you *really* as stupid as you sound here? I'm surprised you can breathe.
From: hamilton on 18 Apr 2010 23:52
On 4/18/2010 7:49 PM, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:55:07 -0600, hamilton<hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: > >> On 4/18/2010 2:09 PM, krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:47:41 -0600, hamilton<hamilton(a)nothere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 4/18/2010 9:31 AM, Don Lancaster wrote: >>>>> On 4/18/2010 7:21 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >>>>>> On 18/04/2010 08:02, eryer wrote: >>>>>>> On 17 Apr, 21:14, Don Lancaster<d...(a)tinaja.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> They also often fail to include the synchronous inverter costs, >>>>>>>> which in >>>>>>>> many situations will consume 150 percent of the value of ALL the >>>>>>>> electricity sent through iit. And not using a synchronous inverter, of >>>>>>>> course, is ridiculously more costly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting...any link? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About my first post, any suggestion? >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> This is like saying that PC power supplies will dissipate more power >>>>>> than the rest of the PC combined. If you want to see where the market is >>>>>> going on converters, look to the PC PSU market and costs for a mature >>>>>> and very similar example ie 5c a Watt and 80%+ efficiency >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If a naive homeowner tries to buy a synchronous inverter for a 1500 watt >>>>> system, its typical retail cost (plus shipping and installation, of >>>>> course) will be around $2500. >>>>> >>>>> It thus gobbles gone all pv electricity sent through it and then some. >>>>> >>>>> There is no reason the $2500 device should cost more than $9. >>>> >>>> Its a free market. >>>> >>>> Build them and sell them for $2000. >>>> >>>> This would start the price war and within, says 6 weeks, the price will >>>> drop to $9. >>>> >>>> Isn't the free market the way to go ?? >>>> >>> >>> Nah, free markets are so last century. We're into government subsidies now. >> >> So the new free market model is "Government Subsidies" . > > Wooosssshhhhh! Sorry, There is no free market, just "Government Subsidies". hamilton > >> Like the plans last century to get a bunch of free market thinkers (old >> school) to invest in junk securities ? > > Last century? Your question is nonsensical. Crony capitalism<> free market > >> Bet they will lose and then collect on the taxpayer bailout ? > > If you're talking about the recent bank fiasco, they did both and were > encouraged to do so. > >> But the US had to elect a democrat to get the payout so the republicans >> won't be the ones to be holding the bag. > > You are a fool. > >> That new free market model ?? > > Are you *really* as stupid as you sound here? I'm surprised you can breathe. |