From: Robert Clark on
I showed in this post:

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sci.space.history
From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: A kerosene-fueled X-33 as a single stage to orbit
vehicle.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/eea2c9e8aaf61151?hl=en

that two reconfigured X-33's mated bimese fashion and using a cross-
feed fueling system could reduce the costs to orbit by *two orders* of
magnitude. This shows there really is no logical objection to
developing an SSTO. Because even if it is argued multistaged systems
can carry more payload, you can carry *even* more payload by making
those stages be separately SSTO capable. *Multiple times* more.
I want to emphasize again the only reason why I used the Lockheed
version of the X-33 was because it was already largely built. The
other two proposed versions of a suborbital X-33 demonstrator by
Rockwell and McDonnell-Douglas would also become fully orbital when
switched from hydrogen to kerosene-fueled at comparable costs.
These would be easier to make because you wouldn't have the problem
that led to the
X-33's downfall of lightweighting the tanks. Then the only thing
keeping us from $100/lbs. launch costs is the acceptance that SSTO is
indeed possible.
That is why it is so imperative that the Falcon 1 first stage derived
SSTO I discussed before be done because it would be so easy and CHEAP
to achieve:

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From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: A kerosene-fueled X-33 as a single stage to orbit
vehicle.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/b2dfd3ce833c4470?hl=en

Then finally the light bulb would come on.

However, the bimese X-33 would involve some technical risk in that it
would require the building of a second hydrocarbon-fueled X-33 and the
low payload cost, due to the high payload capacity, would only obtain
if the untested tank lightweighting methods really did bring the
tankage ratio of the conformal tanks to be more in line with that of
cylindrical tanks.
Therefore I'll show here that an (expendable) heavy lift system can be
produced with a payload capacity in the range of 40,000 kg to 60,000
kg at a minimal cost compared to the other heavy lift systems being
proposed, and while using already existing components and at minimal
technical risk.
Previously I had argued that both the Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 first
stages had a 20 to 1 mass ratio, and that this was important because
this was the mass ratio often cited for a kerosene-fueled rocket to
have SSTO capability. But that was based on the data on the
SpaceLaunchReport.com site.
The numbers on this site though are estimates and can be inaccurate.
For instance from numbers actually released by SpaceX, the Falcon 1
first stage mass ratio is actually about 16.8 to 1.
However, I was surprised to see in this recent news release from
SpaceX that the Falcon 9 first stage mass ratio is actually better
than 20 to 1(!):

SPACEX ACHIEVES ORBITAL BULLSEYE WITH INAUGURAL FLIGHT OF FALCON 9
ROCKET.
Cape Canaveral, Florida – June 7, 2010
"The Merlin engine is one of only two orbit class rocket engines
developed in
the United States in the last decade (SpaceX’s Kestrel is the other),
and is
the highest efficiency American hydrocarbon engine ever built. The
Falcon 9
first stage, with a fully fueled to dry weight ratio of over 20, has
the
world's best structural efficiency, despite being designed to higher
human
rated factors of safety."
http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20100607

Undoubtedly it is able to achieve this high mass ratio because it also
uses common bulkhead design for the propellant tanks as does Falcon 1.
Note that the original Atlas and the Saturn V upper stages nearly had
SSTO mass ratios because they used common bulkheads.
From this news release, we can also estimate the dry mass of the first
stage:

UPDATES: JULY 2009 - DECEMBER 2009.
DRAGON/FALCON 9 UPDATE.
Wednesday, September 23rd, 2009
"Weighing in at over 7,700 kg (17,000 lbs), the thrust assembly and
nine
Merlin engines represents over half the dry mass of the Falcon 9 first
stage."
http://www.spacex.com/updates_archive.php?page=2009_2

So I'll estimate the dry mass of the first stage as 15,000 kg, and the
first stage total mass as 300,000 kg, and so the propellant mass as
285,000 kg.
I'll again use three NK-33's as the engines, replacing the nine
Merlin's. Using 660 kg as an estimate of the Merlin 1C mass, and 1,222
as the NK-33 mass, the dry mass becomes 15,000 - 9*660 + 3*1,222 =
12,726 kg.
Again let's calculate what payload we can get using two of these
Falcon 9's mated bimese fashion using cross-feed propellant transfer.
This time I'll use a little more conservative average Isp of 335 s for
the first portion of the trip where they are still mated together, but
still assume some altitude compensation method is being used such as
an aerospike. Then I'll still take the vacuum Isp as 360 s.
Let's estimate the payload as 40,000 kg. Then we get a delta-V of:

335*9.8ln(1+285,000/(2*12,726+285,000+40,000)) = 1,954 m/s, for the
first
mated-together portion of the flight, and then:
360*9.8ln(1+285,000/(12,726+40,000)) = 6,552 m/s, for the upper stage
portion, giving a total of about 8,500 m/s.

Note again that by using more energetic hydrocarbon fuels, perhaps
also densified by subcooling, you can get perhaps 50% higher payload
to orbit than the 40,000 kg, so to perhaps 60,000 kg.
This certainly qualifies as heavy lift if not super heavy lift. And
could satisfy the requirements of a lunar mission at least for the
launch system by using two launches.


Bob Clark
From: Robert Clark on
On Jul 8, 6:58 am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>  ... I was surprised to see in this recent news release from
> SpaceX that the Falcon 9 first stage mass ratio is actually better
> than 20 to 1(!):
>
> SPACEX ACHIEVES ORBITAL BULLSEYE WITH INAUGURAL FLIGHT OF FALCON 9
> ROCKET.
> Cape Canaveral, Florida – June 7, 2010
> "The Merlin engine is one of only two orbit class rocket engines
> developed in
> the United States in the last decade (SpaceX’s Kestrel is the other),
> and is
> the highest efficiency American hydrocarbon engine ever built. The
> Falcon 9
> first stage, with a fully fueled to dry weight ratio of over 20, has
> the
> world's best structural efficiency, despite being designed to higher
> human
> rated factors of safety."http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20100607
>
> Undoubtedly it is able to achieve this high mass ratio because it also
> uses common bulkhead design for the propellant tanks as does Falcon 1.
> Note that the original Atlas and the Saturn V upper stages nearly had
> SSTO mass ratios because they used common bulkheads.
> From this news release, we can also estimate the dry mass of the first
> stage:
>
> UPDATES: JULY 2009 - DECEMBER 2009.
> DRAGON/FALCON 9 UPDATE.
> Wednesday, September 23rd, 2009
> "Weighing in at over 7,700 kg (17,000 lbs), the thrust assembly and
> nine
> Merlin engines represents over half the dry mass of the Falcon 9 first
> stage."http://www.spacex.com/updates_archive.php?page=2009_2
>
> So I'll estimate the dry mass of the first stage as 15,000 kg, and the
> first stage total mass as 300,000 kg, and so the propellant mass as
> 285,000 kg.
> I'll again use three NK-33's as the engines, replacing the nine
> Merlin's. Using 660 kg as an estimate of the Merlin 1C mass, and 1,222
> as the NK-33 mass, the dry mass becomes 15,000 - 9*660 + 3*1,222 =
> 12,726 kg.
> Again let's calculate what payload we can get using two of these
> Falcon 9's mated bimese fashion using cross-feed propellant transfer.
> This time I'll use a little more conservative average Isp of 335 s for
> the first portion of the trip where they are still mated together, but
> still assume some altitude compensation method is being used such as
> an aerospike. Then I'll still take the vacuum Isp as 360 s.
> Let's estimate the payload as 40,000 kg. Then we get a delta-V of:
>
> 335*9.8ln(1+285,000/(2*12,726+285,000+40,000)) = 1,954 m/s, for the
> first
> mated-together portion of the flight, and then:
> 360*9.8ln(1+285,000/(12,726+40,000)) = 6,552 m/s, for the upper stage
> portion, giving a total of about 8,500 m/s.
>

Several studies made during the 90's showed that it was actually
easier to make a SSTO using dense fuels rather than hydrogen, such as
this one:

Alternate Propellants for SSTO Launchers.
Dr. Bruce Dunn
Adapted from a Presentation at:
Space Access 96
Phoenix Arizona
April 25 - 27, 1996
http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm

The two key reasons for this is that though hydrogen's higher Isp
means it needs only about half the mass ratio of, for example,
kerosene it requires twice as much engine weight for the thrust
produced and *3 times* as much tank weight for the propellant weight.
These two advantages of the dense fuel over hydrogen swamp the
hydrogen Isp advantage with the result that a similarly sized dense-
fueled SSTO can carry *multiple* times more payload that a hydrogen-
fueled one.
This is what the math shows. And the actually produced Titan II
rocket gives real world evidence for this as well. The Titan II stems
from the earliest days of orbital rockets in the early 1960's yet its
first stage had SSTO capability even then [i]using dense propellants[/
i]:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-stage-to-orbit#Examples

And now the Falcon 9 first stage having SSTO capability with a 20 to
1 mass ratio confirms this as well, while using standard structural
techniques known for decades in the industry. Note that neither for
the Titan II first stage or the Falcon 9 first stage was the intent to
create an SSTO. The intent was to optimize the combination of the
vehicle's weight and engine performance, the SSTO capability just
happened accidentally. Why? Because getting SSTO-capability with dense
propellant vehicles is [i]easy[/i].
Let's calculate the payload we can carry for the Falcon 9 first stage
used as an SSTO. Since we're doing an SSTO where we need to maximize
performance I'll assume altitude compensation methods are used such as
an aerospike nozzle. In Dunn's paper "Alternate Propellants for SSTO
Launchers." He gives an estimate of the average Isp over the flight
with altitude compensation for kerosene (RP-1) as 338.3 s. Using the
8,500 m/s delta-V value I've been using to reach orbit, this would
allow a payload of 11,000 kg :

338.3*9.8ln(1 + 285,000/(12,726 + 11,000)) = 8,507 m/s.

But kerosene is not the most energetic hydrocarbon fuel. Another one
described in Dunn's report is given as having an average Isp of 352 s,
methylacetylene. With supercooling its overall density with LOX
oxidizer is slightly above that of kerolox, so I'll take the
propellant amount as 290,000 kg, then this would allow a payload of
14,200 kg:

352*9.8ln(1 + 290,000/(12,726 + 14,200)) = 8,505 m/s.


Bob Clark

From: Robert Clark on
The original Atlas from the 1960's was close to being SSTO capable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-stage-to-orbit#Examples

It was able to be highly weight-optimized because it used what is
called pressure-stabilized or "balloon tanks". These were tanks of
thinner wall thickness than normal and were able to maintain their
structure in being pressurized. The wall thickness was so thin that
they could not stand alone when not filled with fuel. To be stored the
tanks had to be filled with an inert gas such as nitrogen, otherwise
they would collapse under their own weight.
The Atlas III also uses balloon tanks and a common bulkhead design,
used effectively by the SpaceX Falcon launchers to minimize weight.
The Falcons probably are able to get the good weight optimization
comparable to that of the Atlas launchers without using balloon tanks
because their tanks are made of aluminum instead of the steel used
with the Atlas tanks. The Atlas launchers might be able to weight-
optimize their tanks even further by using aluminum for their balloon
tanks, but there may be structural reasons that for balloon tanks
steel has been preferred.
The specifications for the Atlas III are given on this Astronautix.com
page for the Atlas V:

Atlas V
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/atlasv.htm

The gross mass is given as 195,628 kg and the empty mass is given as
13,725 kg, resulting in a propellant mass of 181,903 kg. The Atlas III
uses an RD-180 engine:

RD-180
http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rd180.htm

The Atlas III is actually somewhat overpowered with the RD-180, as
evidenced by the fact that Atlas V carrying 50% more propellant is
still able to use the RD-180. For an SSTO the weight of the engines is
a major factor that has to be tailored to the size of the vehicle. A
engine of greater power may be unsuitable for the SSTO purpose simply
because the larger than needed engine weight may prevent the required
mass ratio to be SSTO.
So again I'll use NK-33's two this time for the engines:

NK-33.
http://www.astronautix.com/engines/nk33.htm

Then the engine weight is reduced from 5,393 kg to 2,444 kg. This
brings the dry mass to 10,776 kg, and the gross mass is now 192,679
kg. So the mass ratio is 17.9.
Using aerospike nozzles or other altitude compensation methods on the
NK-33 we might be able to get the vacuum Isp to increase to 360 s and
the average Isp over the flight to be 335 s. Then this would allow a
payload of 4,000 kg, using the 8,500 m/s delta-V I'm taking as that
required for orbit:

335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 4,000)) = 8,498 m/s.

Now let's calculate the payload for two Atlas III's mated bimese
fashion and using cross-feed fueling:
with a payload of 22,000 kg, we get a first stage delta-V of
335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(2*10,776 + 181,903 + 22,000)) = 1,942 m/s, and
a second stage delta-V of 360*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 22,000)) =
6,661 m/s for a total delta-V of 8,573 m/s.


Bob Clark

From: Brad Guth on
On Jul 10, 11:04 am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> The original Atlas from the 1960's was close to being SSTO capable:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-stage-to-orbit#Examples
>
> It was able to be highly weight-optimized because it used what is
> called pressure-stabilized or "balloon tanks". These were tanks of
> thinner wall thickness than normal and were able to maintain their
> structure in being pressurized. The wall thickness was so thin that
> they could not stand alone when not filled with fuel. To be stored the
> tanks had to be filled with an inert gas such as nitrogen, otherwise
> they would collapse under their own weight.
> The Atlas III also uses balloon tanks and a common bulkhead design,
> used effectively by the SpaceX Falcon launchers to minimize weight.
> The Falcons probably are able to get the good weight optimization
> comparable to that of the Atlas launchers without using balloon tanks
> because their tanks are made of aluminum instead of the steel used
> with the Atlas tanks. The Atlas launchers might be able to weight-
> optimize their tanks even further by using aluminum for their balloon
> tanks, but there may be structural reasons that for balloon tanks
> steel has been preferred.
> The specifications for the Atlas III are given on this Astronautix.com
> page for the Atlas V:
>
> Atlas Vhttp://www.astronautix.com/lvs/atlasv.htm
>
> The gross mass is given as 195,628 kg and the empty mass is given as
> 13,725 kg, resulting in a propellant mass of 181,903 kg. The Atlas III
> uses an RD-180 engine:
>
> RD-180http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rd180.htm
>
> The Atlas III is actually somewhat overpowered with the RD-180, as
> evidenced by the fact that Atlas V carrying 50% more propellant is
> still able to use the RD-180. For an SSTO the weight of the engines is
> a major factor that has to be tailored to the size of the vehicle. A
> engine of greater power may be unsuitable for the SSTO purpose simply
> because the larger than needed engine weight may prevent the required
> mass ratio to be SSTO.
> So again I'll use NK-33's two this time for the engines:
>
> NK-33.http://www.astronautix.com/engines/nk33.htm
>
> Then the engine weight is reduced from 5,393 kg to 2,444 kg. This
> brings the dry mass to 10,776 kg, and the gross mass is now 192,679
> kg. So the mass ratio is 17.9.
> Using aerospike nozzles or other altitude compensation methods on the
> NK-33 we might be able to get the vacuum Isp to increase to 360 s and
> the average Isp over the flight to be 335 s. Then this would allow a
> payload of 4,000 kg, using the 8,500 m/s delta-V I'm taking as that
> required for orbit:
>
> 335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 4,000)) = 8,498 m/s.
>
> Now let's calculate the payload for two Atlas III's mated bimese
> fashion and using cross-feed fueling:
> with a payload of 22,000 kg, we get a first stage delta-V of
> 335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(2*10,776 + 181,903 + 22,000)) = 1,942 m/s, and
> a second stage delta-V of 360*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 22,000)) =
> 6,661 m/s for a total delta-V of 8,573 m/s.
>
> Bob Clark

What have they that's new in HTP + hydrocarbons?

http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rd502.htm#RD-502
http://www.astronautix.com/props/index.htm

http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm
propargyl alcohol + HTP Isp = 350
cyclopropane + HTP Isp = 351.5

~ BG
From: Robert Clark on
On Jul 11, 1:08 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:04 am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The original Atlas from the 1960's was close to being SSTO capable:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-stage-to-orbit#Examples
>
> > It was able to be highly weight-optimized because it used what is
> > called pressure-stabilized or "balloon tanks". These were tanks of
> > thinner wall thickness than normal and were able to maintain their
> > structure in being pressurized. The wall thickness was so thin that
> > they could not stand alone when not filled with fuel. To be stored the
> > tanks had to be filled with an inert gas such as nitrogen, otherwise
> > they would collapse under their own weight.
> > The Atlas III also uses balloon tanks and a common bulkhead design,
> > used effectively by the SpaceX Falcon launchers to minimize weight.
> > The Falcons probably are able to get the good weight optimization
> > comparable to that of the Atlas launchers without using balloon tanks
> > because their tanks are made of aluminum instead of the steel used
> > with the Atlas tanks. The Atlas launchers might be able to weight-
> > optimize their tanks even further by using aluminum for their balloon
> > tanks, but there may be structural reasons that for balloon tanks
> > steel has been preferred.
> > The specifications for the Atlas III are given on this Astronautix.com
> > page for the Atlas V:
>
> > Atlas Vhttp://www.astronautix.com/lvs/atlasv.htm
>
> > The gross mass is given as 195,628 kg and the empty mass is given as
> > 13,725 kg, resulting in a propellant mass of 181,903 kg. The Atlas III
> > uses an RD-180 engine:
>
> > RD-180http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rd180.htm
>
> > The Atlas III is actually somewhat overpowered with the RD-180, as
> > evidenced by the fact that Atlas V carrying 50% more propellant is
> > still able to use the RD-180. For an SSTO the weight of the engines is
> > a major factor that has to be tailored to the size of the vehicle. A
> > engine of greater power may be unsuitable for the SSTO purpose simply
> > because the larger than needed engine weight may prevent the required
> > mass ratio to be SSTO.
> > So again I'll use NK-33's two this time for the engines:
>
> > NK-33.http://www.astronautix.com/engines/nk33.htm
>
> > Then the engine weight is reduced from 5,393 kg to 2,444 kg. This
> > brings the dry mass to 10,776 kg, and the gross mass is now 192,679
> > kg. So the mass ratio is 17.9.
> > Using aerospike nozzles or other altitude compensation methods on the
> > NK-33 we might be able to get the vacuum Isp to increase to 360 s and
> > the average Isp over the flight to be 335 s. Then this would allow a
> > payload of 4,000 kg, using the 8,500 m/s delta-V I'm taking as that
> > required for orbit:
>
> > 335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 4,000)) = 8,498 m/s.
>
> > Now let's calculate the payload for two Atlas III's mated bimese
> > fashion and using cross-feed fueling:
> > with a payload of 22,000 kg, we get a first stage delta-V of
> > 335*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(2*10,776 + 181,903 + 22,000)) = 1,942 m/s, and
> > a second stage delta-V of 360*9.8ln(1 + 181,903/(10,776 + 22,000)) =
> > 6,661 m/s for a total delta-V of 8,573 m/s.
>
> > Bob Clark
>
> What have they that's new in HTP + hydrocarbons?
>
>  http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rd502.htm#RD-502
>  http://www.astronautix.com/props/index.htm
>
>  http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm
>  propargyl alcohol + HTP Isp = 350
>  cyclopropane + HTP Isp = 351.5
>
>  ~ BG

As Dunn's reprt shows there are some fuel combinations using H2O2 as
the oxidizer that give better performance than kerosene/LOX. This
would be most useful for example for Air Force systems intended to be
maneuverable in space, since H2O2 is easier to store in space rather
than LOX since it is non-cryogenic.


Bob Clark