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From: Archimedes Plutonium on 11 Apr 2010 16:14 Alright, I am pretty sure I received success on this quest of deriving the speed of light out of pure math. I take care of the units by allowing the units to determine the width of the curves involved. So if you want speed of light in miles rather than meters, then the width of the meridian and log-spiral is in the units of choice. Last night I spoke of sort of like a garden hose covering all the meridians and a garden hose to cover the golden-ratio logarithmic spiral and that the meridian distance versus the log spiral distance would be on the order of 10^-44 versus 10^-36, delivering the speed of light. However, to make this geometry, this new geometry problem more general, I am going to use a Packing of the log-spiral to include the Space-Time Continuum of Special Relativity. And the speed of light, thus becomes a maximum number for it asks what can maximally cover the surface and the interior of a sphere, so that the two curves of meridian versus log spiral is totally encapsulated? And the answer is the speed of light or the log spiral/ meridian. So here is the question in Physics or Biology, for it is nice to see a intersection between physics and biology. The question in biology would be that given a cell, or cell nucleus, what is the maximum geometry into the fitting or encapsulating one curve versus a second curve and the answer is that a sphere surface encapsulated by log spiral, both inside the sphere surface and on the sphere surface. This is what DNA is performing by its double helix nature. And so we can see that the speed of light is behaving in a similar fashion of maximum geometry encapsulation or packing. So how do I get for meters/second with either 10^-44 versus 10^-36 (or the inverses) from the log-spiral and meridians? The answer is that if I use a garden hose analogy that I sum the distance of all the meridians as garden hoses, sum them and then divide by the garden hose that represents the log-spiral, I should have a 10^44 versus 10^36 relationship. If I do not, then I must prescribe that the garden hose analogy start at the center of the sphere itself and the log spiral encapsulate not only the volume interior of the sphere but also the surface of the sphere. The dimension of the garden hose should be the same units as the speed of light sought for. So that if I wanted the speed in meters/sec or in parsec/sec or in centimeters/sec then the width or some other parameter has to follow in suit. Now there is one more problem I have not yet followed prescribed is that I take care of the unit distance by the width of the hose, but I seem to have not prescribed a solution for the speed of light if the unit is something other than seconds. But I think I can keep one of the two units as fixed without loss of mathematical proof. So the above is where I cover a new Space Time Continuum. Instead of the old way of looking at Special Relativity as a 4D Euclidean Space Time Continuum, and where that does not allow for a pure math derivation of the speed of light, here, with a Broken Symmetry of Euclidean I am able to derive the speed of light from purely mathematics, since I have Elliptic geometry opposing Hyperbolic geometry and the ultimate concept of the speed of light thus becomes the question of what geometry can maximally pack a sphere of Elliptic by something in Hyperbolic? The answer is a log-spiral for which log spiral / meridian = speed of light. Archimedes Plutonium http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/ whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |