From: Swifty on 26 Apr 2010 14:45 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:56:34 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art(a)gmail.com> wrote: >And you alternative is? Before CSS using HTML attributes was even *more* >UA-dependent. Well, before CSS, Opera styled its table border in a way I liked, so I didn't have a problem. CSS came along, but wasn't immediately necessary. Then Opera changed its table border colours for something much darker, and the chase was afoot. I can lighten the border with CSS (and do), but the dark side remains too dark for me. It's not quite enough to push me into the Internet Explorer camp. -- Steve Swift http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html http://www.ringers.org.uk
From: Jonathan N. Little on 26 Apr 2010 16:15 Swifty wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:56:34 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little" > <lws4art(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> And you alternative is? Before CSS using HTML attributes was even *more* >> UA-dependent. > > Well, before CSS, Opera styled its table border in a way I liked, so I > didn't have a problem. CSS came along, but wasn't immediately > necessary. Then Opera changed its table border colours for something > much darker, and the chase was afoot. I can lighten the border with > CSS (and do), but the dark side remains too dark for me. It's not > quite enough to push me into the Internet Explorer camp. > Opera has supported CSS for 12 years, but anyway "Opera styled its table border in a way I liked" so? Not everyone uses Opera, in fact most everybody uses something else. CSS or via HTML attribute you were *never* guaranteed that the ridge, groove, inset, or outset border would look exactly the same to all your visitors. You are designing for your site's visitors, not for yourself right? -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
From: dorayme on 26 Apr 2010 18:05 In article <ninbt59km0t5pptr578ps3n68bic9qimln(a)4ax.com>, Swifty <steve.j.swift(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well, before CSS, Opera styled its table border in a way I liked, Which surely was not much use from a public internet point of view, how many people in your local pub used or use Opera? -- dorayme
From: Norman Peelman on 26 Apr 2010 18:36 dorayme wrote: > In article <ninbt59km0t5pptr578ps3n68bic9qimln(a)4ax.com>, > Swifty <steve.j.swift(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, before CSS, Opera styled its table border in a way I liked, > > Which surely was not much use from a public internet point of > view, how many people in your local pub used or use Opera? > I'm not wasting any time in a pub on the internet! ;) -- Norman Registered Linux user #461062
From: Norman Peelman on 26 Apr 2010 18:50
Swifty wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 06:30:59 -0400, Norman Peelman > <npeelman(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >> didn't realize the op wanted to alter the two 'halves' of a border (light/dark) > > Nevertheless, Norman, it was your suggestion that led me almost > directly to the w3.org article that makes it obvious that the ultimate > choice of colours is made by the browser, and beyond my control. Thank > you. > > It's nice to know that something can be done; it gives you the > fortitude to persist until you find a solution. > But it is often much better to find out (or be told) that it cannot be > done, so you can stop wasting your (and everyone else's) time. > No problem, but it seems like it would be trivial to implement as they are values that need to be created/assigned to properties. Those properties just need to be exposed to the user. ie: borderColorLight borderColorDark borderColorLightLeft,Right,Top, and Bottom borderColorDarkLeft,Right,Top, and Bottom -- Norman Registered Linux user #461062 |