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From: Robert L. Oldershaw on 18 Jul 2010 21:04
On Jul 18, 4:08 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How do I know this? I've done it.

I hear your were drunk and it was one of those blow-up dolls.
From: mpc755 on 19 Jul 2010 21:42
On Jul 18, 6:27 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> Hi Fred and all.
>
> On Jul 16, 10:54 pm, "FrediFizzx" <fredifi...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have been studying a recent paper by Volovik,
>
> >http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0597
>
> > It is kind of a condensed version of his book "The Universe in a Helium
> > Droplet" with some updates from what he was thinking since when he wrote
> > the book.  In the book he was solving the cosmological constant problem
> > by assuming that the zero point energy of bosonic fields were canceled
> > out by the zero point energy of fermionic fields since bosonic zero
> > point energy is positive and fermionic zero point energy is negative.
> > Seems he has dropped that assumption now in this new paper.  I am glad
> > to see that because if we do take the quantum vacuum to be a
> > relativistic medium of quantized fermion (Dirac) fields then what he
> > originally was proposing didn't make complete sense.  Quantized bosonic
> > fields would just be "wavicles" (like phonons) of the fermionic medium
> > so don't think this zero point energy cancelation would really happen.
> > More on that later.
>
> > I like the aspect he is presenting that topology is primary and symmetry
> > is secondary.  With that it solves the hierarchy problem as the masses
> > of elementary fermions can be small instead of being closer to the
> > Planck scale mass.  See the "Discussion" section of the paper.
>
> > I am surprised that he hasn't picked up on a very simple aspect of the
> > quantum vacuum as a fermionic medium.  And that is Quantum Vacuum Charge
> > = + or - sqrt(hbar*c) in CGS units.  Or + or - 1 in natural units.  Or
> > perhaps that is what he is referring to with topological charge?
>
> So far there is no way of measuring a single charge, charge needs
> another charge to be measured, so one is left with charge couples.
>
> The brief you (Fred) corrected and edited,http://physics.trak4.com/GR_Charge_Couple.pdf
>
> has a 4D topology in Eq.(2) and a 5D topology in Eq.(4) that are
> practically the same thing.
>
> So I'd suggest that a charge configuration varies the spacetime
> field, which results in gravitation and electricity.
>
> > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept.
> > For me, I see matter as being less than the quantum vacuum and it is
> > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the
> > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less
> > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other.
>
> "gravity sux" sure, it even deflects light-rays in toward mass,
> that's usually attributed to a spacetime field curvature.
>
> > Best,
> > Fred Diether
>
> Best to you too Fred.
> Ken

Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
Dark matter and matter have mass.
Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
From: Ken S. Tucker on 21 Jul 2010 00:37
On Jul 19, 6:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 6:27 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Fred and all.
>
> > On Jul 16, 10:54 pm, "FrediFizzx" <fredifi...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have been studying a recent paper by Volovik,
>
> > >http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0597
>
> > > It is kind of a condensed version of his book "The Universe in a Helium
> > > Droplet" with some updates from what he was thinking since when he wrote
> > > the book. In the book he was solving the cosmological constant problem
> > > by assuming that the zero point energy of bosonic fields were canceled
> > > out by the zero point energy of fermionic fields since bosonic zero
> > > point energy is positive and fermionic zero point energy is negative.
> > > Seems he has dropped that assumption now in this new paper. I am glad
> > > to see that because if we do take the quantum vacuum to be a
> > > relativistic medium of quantized fermion (Dirac) fields then what he
> > > originally was proposing didn't make complete sense. Quantized bosonic
> > > fields would just be "wavicles" (like phonons) of the fermionic medium
> > > so don't think this zero point energy cancelation would really happen.
> > > More on that later.
>
> > > I like the aspect he is presenting that topology is primary and symmetry
> > > is secondary. With that it solves the hierarchy problem as the masses
> > > of elementary fermions can be small instead of being closer to the
> > > Planck scale mass. See the "Discussion" section of the paper.
>
> > > I am surprised that he hasn't picked up on a very simple aspect of the
> > > quantum vacuum as a fermionic medium. And that is Quantum Vacuum Charge
> > > = + or - sqrt(hbar*c) in CGS units. Or + or - 1 in natural units. Or
> > > perhaps that is what he is referring to with topological charge?
>
> > So far there is no way of measuring a single charge, charge needs
> > another charge to be measured, so one is left with charge couples.
>
> > The brief you (Fred) corrected and edited,http://physics.trak4.com/GR_Charge_Couple.pdf
>
> > has a 4D topology in Eq.(2) and a 5D topology in Eq.(4) that are
> > practically the same thing.
>
> > So I'd suggest that a charge configuration varies the spacetime
> > field, which results in gravitation and electricity.
>
> > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept.
> > > For me, I see matter as being less than the quantum vacuum and it is
> > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the
> > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less
> > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other.
>
> > "gravity sux" sure, it even deflects light-rays in toward mass,
> > that's usually attributed to a spacetime field curvature.
>
> > > Best,
> > > Fred Diether
>
> > Best to you too Fred.
> > Ken
>
> Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> Dark matter and matter have mass.
> Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

Ok, that's a conjecture, how do we test it. We need theory
to make numbers.
Ken
From: mpc755 on 21 Jul 2010 00:59
On Jul 21, 12:37 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 6:42 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 6:27 am, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...(a)vianet.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Hi Fred and all.
>
> > > On Jul 16, 10:54 pm, "FrediFizzx" <fredifi...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I have been studying a recent paper by Volovik,
>
> > > >http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.0597
>
> > > > It is kind of a condensed version of his book "The Universe in a Helium
> > > > Droplet" with some updates from what he was thinking since when he wrote
> > > > the book.  In the book he was solving the cosmological constant problem
> > > > by assuming that the zero point energy of bosonic fields were canceled
> > > > out by the zero point energy of fermionic fields since bosonic zero
> > > > point energy is positive and fermionic zero point energy is negative.
> > > > Seems he has dropped that assumption now in this new paper.  I am glad
> > > > to see that because if we do take the quantum vacuum to be a
> > > > relativistic medium of quantized fermion (Dirac) fields then what he
> > > > originally was proposing didn't make complete sense.  Quantized bosonic
> > > > fields would just be "wavicles" (like phonons) of the fermionic medium
> > > > so don't think this zero point energy cancelation would really happen.
> > > > More on that later.
>
> > > > I like the aspect he is presenting that topology is primary and symmetry
> > > > is secondary.  With that it solves the hierarchy problem as the masses
> > > > of elementary fermions can be small instead of being closer to the
> > > > Planck scale mass.  See the "Discussion" section of the paper.
>
> > > > I am surprised that he hasn't picked up on a very simple aspect of the
> > > > quantum vacuum as a fermionic medium.  And that is Quantum Vacuum Charge
> > > > = + or - sqrt(hbar*c) in CGS units.  Or + or - 1 in natural units.  Or
> > > > perhaps that is what he is referring to with topological charge?
>
> > > So far there is no way of measuring a single charge, charge needs
> > > another charge to be measured, so one is left with charge couples.
>
> > > The brief you (Fred) corrected and edited,http://physics.trak4.com/GR_Charge_Couple.pdf
>
> > > has a 4D topology in Eq.(2) and a 5D topology in Eq.(4) that are
> > > practically the same thing.
>
> > > So I'd suggest that a charge configuration varies the spacetime
> > > field, which results in gravitation and electricity.
>
> > > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept..
> > > > For me, I see matter as being less than the quantum vacuum and it is
> > > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the
> > > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less
> > > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other.
>
> > > "gravity sux" sure, it even deflects light-rays in toward mass,
> > > that's usually attributed to a spacetime field curvature.
>
> > > > Best,
> > > > Fred Diether
>
> > > Best to you too Fred.
> > > Ken
>
> > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material.
> > Dark matter and matter have mass.
> > Dark matter is displaced by matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
> > Dark matter displaced by matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> Ok, that's a conjecture, how do we test it. We need theory
> to make numbers.
> Ken

It is tested every time a double slit experiment is performed. A
moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The
particle travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. The
associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits the
available slits. The dark matter displacement wave exits the slits and
creates interference which alters the direction the particle travels.
Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark
matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is
no interference.

Why is the particle always detected exiting a single slit in a double
slit experiment?

Because the particle always exits a single slit.

There are several ways to test dark matter displacement. One
possibility would be to detect the particle prior to it exiting a slit
in a double slit experiment. Fire another particle across the opening
just before the original particle would have exited that slit had it
entered that slit. The particle fired across the opening should be
able to detect the associated dark matter displacement wave exiting
the slit the particle did not travel through.

The following is an explanation of what occurs in nature in a 'delayed
choice quantum eraser' experiment. Following the explanation are two
experiments which will provide evidence of Dark Matter Displacement.

In the image on the right here:
hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment
When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be
conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained.
This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums.
We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the
other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons
travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon
travels either the red or blue path towards the prism.

There are physical waves in the dark matter propagating both the red
and blue paths. The dark matter waves propagating towards D0 interact
with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The dark
matter waves create interference which alters the direction the photon
travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference
patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons
when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated
with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0.

Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3.
Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave
in the dark matter to interfere with and there is no interference
pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down'
photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the
photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs
to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4.

Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at
D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons
arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for
photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and
pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down'
photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons
arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the dark matter traveling
both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the dark
matter waves create interference which alters the direction the photon
travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all
'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created
which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are
creating at D0.

Figures 3 and 4 here:
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf
Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you
were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the
valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the
original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain
the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums.

Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the
dark matter are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the
paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the
direction the photon 'particle' travels.

Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement:

Experiment #1:

Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters
BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with
BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb.
Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a,
D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through
BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and
propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the
photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the
corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference
pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the
photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will
form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons
are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b,
and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of
detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even
need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the
interference patterns created at D0.

Experiment #2:

Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created,
have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have
detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a
photon is detected at one of the exits, in Dark Matter Displacement,
the photon's dark matter wave still exists and is propagating along
the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one
of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated dark
matter wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the dark matter
wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the
other photon and its associated dark matter wave. An interference
pattern will still be created. This shows the dark matter wave of a
detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with
the dark matter wave of another photon, altering the direction the
photon 'particle' travels.
From: mpc755 on 21 Jul 2010 01:11
More evidence of Dark Matter Displacement:

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The ripple is a gravity wave.
The ripple is displaced dark matter.
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