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From: usenet on 25 Jun 2010 03:26
HINDUISM AND CARL SAGAN

Forwarded message from "S.L." <alon...(a)erols.com>

Carl Sagan says in this book the Cosmos:

"The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths
dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense,
indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only
religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern
scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night
to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. longer than
the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big
Bang. And there are much longer time scales still.

There is the deep and appealing notion that the universe is but the
dream of the god who, after a Brahm years, dissolves himself into a
dreamless sleep.

The universe dissolves with him -- until, after another Brahm
century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins again to dream the
great cosmic dream.

The Chola bronzes, cast in the 11th century, include several
different incarnations of the god Shiv.

The most elegant and sublime of these is a representation of the
creation of the universe at the beginning of each cosmic cycle, a
motif known as the cosmic dance of Lord Shiv. The god, called in this
manifestation Nataraj, the Dance King. In the upper right hand is a
drum whose sound is the sound of creation. In the upper left hand is
a tongue of flame, a reminder that the universe, now newly created,
with billions of years from now will be utterly destroyed.

The late scientist Carl Sagan, asserts that the dance of Nataraj
signifies the cycle of evolution and destruction of the cosmic
universe (Big Bang Theory). 'It is the clearest image of the activity
of God which any art or religion can boast of.'"

These profound and lovely images are, I like to imagine, a kind of
premonition of modern astronomical ideas."

Source - "The Cosmos " by Carl Sagan.

- - - - -

"The sun and the moon, the Lord created like the suns and the moons
of previous cycles." - The Ved.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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From: hari.kumar on 25 Jun 2010 09:13

His interest was in deep time scales, not religion.

As an atheist he would have scoffed at any religious claims in the
least. But as a gentleman he would not do it directly to a person of
any religion who expressed such views out of good manners.

If one wanted to find someone supporting religious claims he would be
among the last to use.

Jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. shoots himself in the foot again.
From: usenet on 25 Jun 2010 22:03
In article <a0ac8b44-3d1a-4c89-87eb-ea418ed26d70(a)k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fanabba(a)aol.com> posted:
>
> Dhanyavaad!

You are quite welcome!

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > HINDUISM AND CARL SAGAN
> >
> > Forwarded message from =A0"S.L." <alon...(a)erols.com>
> >
> > Carl Sagan says in this book the Cosmos:
> >
> > "The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths
> > dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense,
> > indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only
> > religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern
> > scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night
> > to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. longer than
> > the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big
> > Bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
> >
> > There is the deep and appealing notion that the universe is but the
> > dream of the god who, after a Brahm years, dissolves himself into a
> > dreamless sleep.
> >
> > The universe dissolves with him -- until, after another Brahm
> > century, he stirs, recomposes himself and begins again to dream the
> > great cosmic dream.
> >
> > The Chola bronzes, cast in the 11th century, include several
> > different incarnations of the god Shiv.
> >
> > The most elegant and sublime of these is a representation of the
> > creation of the universe at the beginning of each cosmic cycle, a
> > motif known as the cosmic dance of Lord Shiv. The god, called in this
> > manifestation Nataraj, the Dance King. In the upper right hand is a
> > drum whose sound is the sound of creation. In the upper left hand is
> > a tongue of flame, a reminder that the universe, now newly created,
> > with billions of years from now will be utterly destroyed.
> >
> > The late scientist Carl Sagan, asserts that the dance of Nataraj
> > signifies the cycle of evolution and destruction of the cosmic
> > universe (Big Bang Theory). 'It is the clearest image of the activity
> > of God which any art or religion can boast of.'"
> >
> > These profound and lovely images are, I like to imagine, a kind of
> > premonition of modern astronomical ideas."
> >
> > Source - "The Cosmos " by Carl Sagan.
> >
> > =A0- - - - -
> >
> > "The sun and the moon, the Lord created like the suns and the moons
> > of previous cycles." =A0- The Ved.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > =A0 =A0 =A0o =A0Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the =
> educational
> > purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may n=
> ot
> > have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of th=
> e
> > poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for
> > fair use of copyrighted works.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0o =A0If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be r=
> ead,
> > considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, curre=
> nt
> > e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0o =A0Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by=
> others are
> > not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the arti=
> cle.
> >
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> > owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the
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> d
> > that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as
> > provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with T=
> itle
> > 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without
> > profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the incl=
> uded
> > information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by
> > subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more informat=
> ion
> > go to: =A0http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
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> >
> > Since newsgroup posts are being removed
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From: hari.kumar on 26 Jun 2010 08:55
> Dhanyavaad!

"You are quite welcome!"

What a laugh, from the same fool who just shot himself in the foot for
posting this.

The person of the subject was a strong atheist and would laugh in the
face of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc. for trying to make of his views
about historical expressions of deep time a religious statement.
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