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From: Jagara on 9 Feb 2010 15:32
On Feb 9, 2:51 pm, Somebody Else <jpd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:43:29 -0800 (PST), Jagara wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 9:33 pm, spamme0 <spam...(a)go.com> wrote:
> >> Bear Bottoms wrote:
> >>> Dave Doe <h...(a)work.ok> wrote in
> >>>news:MPG.25cceffb28a7541c9896ff(a)news.eternal-september.org:
>
> >>>> In article <Xns9D0EB2A91A7ECbearbottoms1gmai...(a)69.16.185.250>,
> >>>> bearbotto...(a)gmai.com says...
> >>>>> Here is a motion detection software to watch, maybe even start using
> >>>>> as it's approach to motion detection is more sophisticated than the
> >>>>> norm.
>
> >>>>> "Monitor your flat/house with a movement sensitive webcam security
> >>>>> system.
>
> >>>>> -Receive emails with images of any movement detected.
> >>>>> -Publish movement images to your website.
> >>>>> -Graph of movement over time (with calendar facility).
> >>>>> -Start movement detection at a specified time.
> >>>>> -Set the sensitivity of movement detection.
> >>>>> -Receive notification of new versions as they become available.
> >>>>> -Plus lots of other features...
>
> >>>>> Motion detection algorithms written by Andrew Kirillov.
> >>>>> Read Andrew's article on CodeProject by clicking here.
>
> >>>>> Free to download and use"
>
> >>>>> 684kb, and downloads as a zip file which does not have an installer..
>
> >>>>> Runs on XP and Win7. I didn't try it on Vista as I do not have access
> >>>>> to Vista. I'll reiterate this is beta software and I have just
> >>>>> downloaded and started using this program to test it. So far, it has
> >>>>> not crashed and is detecting movement and sending emails. Sensitivity
> >>>>> and Setup is easy.
> >>>> Links please :)
>
> >>>http://teboweb.com/WebCam.html
>
> >> Looks like a neat program. Problem is that the captures
> >> are useless.  My Intel CS630 is capable of 640x480
> >> and works at that resolution in irfanview.
> >> The images captured by teboweb are, I'm just guessing,
> >> 128 pixels or so  or at least compressed beyond recognition.
> >> Any way to use the full resolution of the camera?
> >> Motion detection works great, just can't identify the perp
> >> at such lousy resolution.
>
> >> I've run into this problem with other video programs.  Especially
> >> windows.  Windows claims to support lotsa cameras. Yes, you can get
> >> a picture at the lowest (useless) resolution the camera supports and no
> >> obvious
> >> way to fix it.
>
> >> I have no need for email or ftp.
> >> Maybe a different surveillance program?
>
> > I am the developer of tebocam and will look into the resolution issue
> > - yes at present the resolution is hardcoded within the app via a
> > bitmap.
> > I am fairly responsive to bug and enhancement requests so just email
> > me if needed.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Guy Thiebaut
>
> Thanks can we resell your program through Pricelessware distros?
> --
> JM

The license is a freeware license which means that you cannot sell it
- although by 'resell' I think you may have meant meant passing on the
link.

I am happy with the software being submitted to freeware sites
I am also glad that it has had such an uptake - I basically wrote the
software for myself and published it online.
I am amazed at the number of downloads - the feedback I am getting is
that it is hard to find freeware programs of this sort that are still
being developed..

Guy

From: Somebody Else on 9 Feb 2010 15:56
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:32:24 -0800 (PST), Jagara wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2:51�pm, Somebody Else <jpd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:43:29 -0800 (PST), Jagara wrote:
>>> On Jan 30, 9:33�pm, spamme0 <spam...(a)go.com> wrote:
>>>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>> Dave Doe <h...(a)work.ok> wrote in
>>>>>news:MPG.25cceffb28a7541c9896ff(a)news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>>>>> In article <Xns9D0EB2A91A7ECbearbottoms1gmai...(a)69.16.185.250>,
>>>>>> bearbotto...(a)gmai.com says...
>>>>>>> Here is a motion detection software to watch, maybe even start using
>>>>>>> as it's approach to motion detection is more sophisticated than the
>>>>>>> norm.
>>
>>>>>>> "Monitor your flat/house with a movement sensitive webcam security
>>>>>>> system.
>>
>>>>>>> -Receive emails with images of any movement detected.
>>>>>>> -Publish movement images to your website.
>>>>>>> -Graph of movement over time (with calendar facility).
>>>>>>> -Start movement detection at a specified time.
>>>>>>> -Set the sensitivity of movement detection.
>>>>>>> -Receive notification of new versions as they become available.
>>>>>>> -Plus lots of other features...
>>
>>>>>>> Motion detection algorithms written by Andrew Kirillov.
>>>>>>> Read Andrew's article on CodeProject by clicking here.
>>
>>>>>>> Free to download and use"
>>
>>>>>>> 684kb, and downloads as a zip file which does not have an installer.
>>
>>>>>>> Runs on XP and Win7. I didn't try it on Vista as I do not have access
>>>>>>> to Vista. I'll reiterate this is beta software and I have just
>>>>>>> downloaded and started using this program to test it. So far, it has
>>>>>>> not crashed and is detecting movement and sending emails. Sensitivity
>>>>>>> and Setup is easy.
>>>>>> Links please :)
>>
>>>>>http://teboweb.com/WebCam.html
>>
>>>> Looks like a neat program. Problem is that the captures
>>>> are useless. �My Intel CS630 is capable of 640x480
>>>> and works at that resolution in irfanview.
>>>> The images captured by teboweb are, I'm just guessing,
>>>> 128 pixels or so �or at least compressed beyond recognition.
>>>> Any way to use the full resolution of the camera?
>>>> Motion detection works great, just can't identify the perp
>>>> at such lousy resolution.
>>
>>>> I've run into this problem with other video programs. �Especially
>>>> windows. �Windows claims to support lotsa cameras. Yes, you can get
>>>> a picture at the lowest (useless) resolution the camera supports and no
>>>> obvious
>>>> way to fix it.
>>
>>>> I have no need for email or ftp.
>>>> Maybe a different surveillance program?
>>
>>> I am the developer of tebocam and will look into the resolution issue
>>> - yes at present the resolution is hardcoded within the app via a
>>> bitmap.
>>> I am fairly responsive to bug and enhancement requests so just email
>>> me if needed.
>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>> Guy Thiebaut
>>
>> Thanks can we resell your program through Pricelessware distros?
>> --
>> JM
>
> The license is a freeware license which means that you cannot sell it
> - although by 'resell' I think you may have meant meant passing on the
> link.

We would add it to the other Pricelessware freeware we have and then
sell the CD for $29.95. Shipping and handling charges, we call this a
donation.

> I am happy with the software being submitted to freeware sites
> I am also glad that it has had such an uptake - I basically wrote the
> software for myself and published it online.
> I am amazed at the number of downloads - the feedback I am getting is
> that it is hard to find freeware programs of this sort that are still
> being developed..
>
> Guy

We'll split the $29.95.

--
JM
From: Susan Bugher on 9 Feb 2010 17:21
Somebody Else wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:32:24 -0800 (PST), Jagara wrote:

Hi Jagara,

You responded to nonsense from one of the trolls that infest this newsgroup.

<snip troll's nonsense>

>> The license is a freeware license which means that you cannot sell it
>> - although by 'resell' I think you may have meant meant passing on the
>> link.

<snip more nonsense>

>> I am happy with the software being submitted to freeware sites
>> I am also glad that it has had such an uptake - I basically wrote the
>> software for myself and published it online.
>> I am amazed at the number of downloads - the feedback I am getting is
>> that it is hard to find freeware programs of this sort that are still
>> being developed..

<snip yet more nonsense>

FYI alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants HAVE created some FREE
Pricelessware CDs/ISOs. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-about.php
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2008/2008PL-CD-Procedures.php

Thanks for making your program available as Freeware.

Susan
--
Posted to alt.comp.freeware
Search alt.comp.freeware (or read it online):
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?q=+group:alt.comp.freeware
Pricelessware & ACF: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org (not maintained)
From: SammmmmyLuter on 10 Feb 2010 08:15
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:21:08 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:

> Thanks for making your program available as Freeware.

???? not in a 1000000000000 years would i lend my freeware to cheatin
lyin scum like you
From: whistleblower on 10 Feb 2010 11:37
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:15:27 -0500, SammmmmyLuter wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:21:08 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> Thanks for making your program available as Freeware.
>
> ???? not in a 1000000000000 years would i lend my freeware to cheatin
> lyin scum like you

--The Great $Pricelessware $Racket--

This is the story of Pricelessware which you won't find on the
Pricelessware website: www.pricelesswarehome.org
___________________________________________________________

Executive Summary:

The owners and supporters of the Pricelesswarehome website are abusing
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup by using it as their debating forum for
private website business affairs and of trying to dominate and control
the unmoderated ACF newsgroup by attacking anybody who speaks out
against Pricelessware abuse of ACF. Smears, false allegations and
intimidation campaigns are the tactic. Some PWH Cultists are suspected
of unlawfully selling 700MB CDs of freeware for personal profit and of
otherwise making ISOs available for others to download/burn and sell.
No control is in place to prevent this.

Here's the full scoop. A story of a coup de'tat, netkopping, hate
campaigns, probable unlawful selling of freeware and cultist behaviour,
akin to any other political/religious cult.

1.Abuse of alt.comp.freeware by Pricelessware Cult:
___________________________________________________

history..... The Pricelessware.org (PW) website was started in year
2000 by a few well-meaning people who posted on alt.comp.freeware (ACF)
about freeware. Their original aim was honourable, namely, to produce a
list of freeware programs to reduce the number of regular requests by
people who posted on ACF asking: "I want a program to do X, Y or Z".
These people could easily be pointed to the Big List, as it was then
called.

But most of the original people involved have long gone and control of
the PWH website was taken over by a different group of people with
bigger aims. Some have bloated egos, others are control freaks who like
to play fascist netkop or moderator of an unmoderated newsgroup, others
saw $$$ in freeware. PWH Cultists are nasty people filled with hate.

Susan Bugher has an ego bigger than a hot air balloon and led the coup
de'tat 5 years ago against the incumbent webmaster. She then became the
new PWH webmaster. Soon after she took control, Bugher created the new
Pricelesswarehome.org website (PWH) as the ousted webmaster refused to
hand over the original Pricelessware.org domain.
_____________________________________________________________ Susan
Bugher's announcement of her coup victory July 1, 2004:

"My position as webmaster and point person for alt.comp.freeware was
ratified recently by alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants when they
supported my request to move the Pricelessware List web site."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/521900774efb7511
_____________________________________________________________________

Note how Susan Bugher described herself as "point person for
alt.comp.freeware".

Note also how she states "ratified recently by alt.comp.freeware
newsgroup participants" as though everybody on ACF was involved. The
truth was very different.

Under Susan Bugher, one aim of the new regime was to remove the
seperate identities of PWH and ACF by giving a clear impression to the
outside world that ACF and PWH website were merged into two sides of
the same coin: ACF being the place where regular PWH business was
conducted for later inclusion on the PWH website. Anyone reading the
PWH website during Bugher's era could not avoid the inescapable
conclusion that ACF was a subsidiary of the PWH website, and that Susan
Bugher ruled as the 'High Priestess of Freeware'.

Further, the website gave the strong impression that most all posters
on ACF were actively involved in debating and voting on PWH issues.
This has always been a blatant deception, as it is only a minority of
people over (say) a 12 month period. To keep PWH uppermost in peoples'
minds, regular threads and votes were started by Bugher to agree this
or that and anybody who dissented was simply ignored. That has been the
pattern of PWH Cult behaviour on ACF for years.

Thus, PWH has no debating forum attached to its website but it is
stuffed full of ACF information, including ACF posting guidance, (the
wrongly named) ACF Glossary, all carefully dressed up to support the
'two-sides-of-the-same-coin' aim.

_______________________________________________________________ Here's
a small list of URL links on Pricelessware which contain direct
references to alt.comp.freeware as though it is a subsidiary of the PWH
website: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/new2008/newsgroup.php
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/new2008/wareglossary.php
_________________________________________________________

In the process of expansion, the PWH website adopted the appearance of
a dog's breakfast.

Susan Bugher was mostly responsible for all that but had ACF support
from Ron May and other minions who rarely or never post onto ACF about
freeware, and therefore add no value to the newsgroup.

She developed a PWH Cult 'following' and in the eyes of her mindless
minions, she could do no wrong. Anybody who dared to say "boo" to Susan
Bugher was immediately attacked by her minions, who would appear out of
nowhere to protect her and abuse dissenters.

Obviously, her expanionist strategy resulted in ACF being regularly
smothered with PWH business activities which have nothing to do with
ACF.

Further, each year PWH goes through a laborious process of nominating
and voting for its latest "Pricelessware List" (PL), which is presented
as the "Best of The Best" in freeware. Although some good programs are
included, in actuality it is little more than a "Favourites List",
mostly nominated and voted for by non-ACF regulars. Constructive
suggestions by non-PWH groupies about how the PL could be enhanced have
been completely ignored, probably because the PWH groupies fear it
might devalue the PL.CD that gets produced for 'FREE' distribution (see
below).

A mere 46 people took part in the PL 2008 process and only a handful of
those involved ever post on ACF about freeware. IOW they are not ACF
freeware people, but PWH groupies and obviously keen to get their
favourite programs onto the PL. One example is iNcReDuLoUs but there
are others including REM, the appointed 'PWH Manager'. (NB: REM was
recently exposed for posting abuse to a dissenter by using sockpuppets
to hide his identity! Several other PWH groupies are known or suspected
of playing similar tricks, eg Franklin is a mass sockpuppeteer.)

Ron May was personally responsible for rigging a vote last year to get
the PWH Glossary named as the ACF Glossary. Attempts by non-PWH people
to get this sorted out were ignored by Ron May, Susan Bugher, Craig and
others, who regularly refer to the fake ACF Glossary as though it is
the de facto Freeware standard and should be used on ACF. It is not and
most ACF people will decide for themselves whether a particular
freeware program is 'nagware', 'donationware' or whateverware without
Pricelessware groupies dictating to them.

The PWH crowd have long justified their use and abuse of ACF by
claiming that "PWH is owned and controlled by the people who post on
ACF". This is clearly untrue because requests and comments about PWH
from non-members of the PWH Cult are ignored. In fact Ron May has all
dissenters, and anybody who disagrees with him about anything,
killfiled, and claims not to see their posts. He conducts character
assassination and innuendo hate campaigns against them from the
cowardly hiding place behind his killfile. He is fond of sending abuse
reports (LARTS) to newsserver admins to get dissenters' posting
accounts closed. This is blatantly done to silence those who expose the
PWH Racket.

Countless requests to the PWH crowd by numerous people on ACF to move
their private website business affairs to another forum have all been
ignored, using the false aforementioned tactic "PWH is owned by
ACF...". A few years ago a dissenter created a new newsgroup
<alt.comp.pricelessware> exclusively for PWH use, but the PWH crowd
ignore it because (presumably) it does not have the public visibility
of ACF.

present day..... Susan Bugher gave notice of stepping down as webmaster
effective end June 2009 and endless recent threads about electing a new
webmaster to replace her have dominated the newsgroup for some time.

The new webmaster (Craig) was not 'elected' by ACF people but
mysteriously 'appointed' after being singularly nominated by Ron May.
One PWH minion actually raised an objection to the underhand ploy by
Ron May but was ignored by him and the rest of the PWH Cult.

Other threads about the PWH website design/page layout have also
dominated the newsgroup.

None of this is about freeware and ACF is the wrong place for PWH
website debates.

Ron May is running this year's misuse of ACF for the new PWH "PL 2009".
No debate about this ever took place on ACF yet he claims "PWH is owned
and controlled by ACF". hhmmm. How so?

Is it any wonder that people believe there's a Pricelessware Cult
trying to dominate and control ACF for its own reasons? Is it any
wonder that people believe there's more to PWH and the PL than
altruistically producing a list and CD.ISO of freeware programs for
so-called "FREE" distribution? hhmmm.

All this clearly demonstrates that ACF newsgroup is being used as a
debating forum by the PWH Cult for their private website business.

This is wrong wrong wrong.

2.Unlawful Pricelessware freeware ISOs:
_______________________________________

When it became known that the person posting as �Q� provides Server
space to host the PWH/PL CD ISOs for downloading/burning and
distribution, he was asked to provide material evidence that each
program on the ISOs is authorised by the author. Such information ought
to be immediately available. �Q� claimed such information probably
existed but after much blustering, passed the buck onto a person called
"vince" who he claims handles all the necessary approvals for CD.ISO
inclusion. Who is "vince"? He is yet another PWH groupie who is
virtually unknown on ACF and never posts about freeware! IE: he's just
another PWH groupie who has nothing to do with ACF proper.

When it was pointed out to �Q� that HE hosted the ISOs and therefore HE
should be in possession of material evidence regarding authorisation,
he eventually stated that "PWH is only 'sort of' owned by ACF" and
described the request to see the evidence as coming from a k00k,
thereby deviously sidestepping a perfectly reasonable request to see
it.

Let there be no doubt that the reason �Q� cannot provide the evidence
is that it does not exist, meaning that in some cases freeware programs
are being unlawfully distributed. Therefore, the PWH ISOs are unlawful
and people associated with PWH are aiding and abetting unlawful
copywrite infringement and numerous other laws in the United States and
elsewhere.

�Q� has not posted much on ACF since being exposed, but at the time of
writing his Server still hosts unlawful PWH/PL CD.ISOs.

Further, given the amount of 'stick' that PWH people have received
about their abuse of ACF, it's inconceivable they continue with it for
altruistic reasons. The obvious explanation is that some PWH cultists
are themselves SELLING freeware CDs and are determined to carry on
regardless. Sale might be dressed up as a donation or preparation,
postage and packing costs. In any case, since the ISOs are freely
available for worldwide download by anyone from �Q�'s server, other
people are almost certainly downloading/burning and selling them for
profit. This means that �Q� is knowingly aiding and abetting unlawful
activities and he cannot disclaim liability.

3.List of URLS to download PWH/PL ISOs from �Q�'s server:
_________________________________________________________

Pricelessware Website CD.ISOs available for download:

PL2008: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD1.iso
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CD2.iso MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2008CDs.md5

PL2007: http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2007CD.iso PL2006:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2006CD.iso PL2005:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2005CD.iso PL2004:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004CD.iso MD5 checksums:
http://downloads.remarqs.net/pl/PL2004567CDs.md5

4.Summary: __________

a) it is quite likely that someone is going to get caught in a trap for
selling a PL CD and will be prosecuted under law. To avoid this, the PL
ISOs need to be removed from �Q�'s download server and no more added
UNLESS each program included is covered by explicit approval from the
program author. These approvals need to be transparently available.

b) some of the PWH crowd may be subject to formal complaints to their
ISPs for abusing a Usenet newsgroup to conduct private website business
on. To avoid this, they need to move Pricelessware debates to a new
site. The easiest place is the (existing but currently unused)
newsgroup <ALT.COMP.PRICELESSWARE>, but a PWH website forum would be an
ideal alternative. That is what most other website owners do. ACF is
the wrong place because it exists to debate freeware, not privately
owned website business.

- regards from your friendly whistleblower - :-) - 10 February 2010 -
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