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From: Rowland McDonnell on 17 May 2010 02:54 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: [snip]> > <puzzled> > > > > Why this mania for stripping out `stuff I don't use now'? There seem to > > be a lot of people at it. > > Reducing your application size by 1.9GB is a great advantage when you > are low on space. I have only 15GB free on this disk so I will probably > do it. <shrug> I save space other ways. Don't fiddle on that level any more - pointless from my point of view, and back when I did do that sort of thing, it turned around and bit me on the bum a few times. Different world now, can't hit those problems, might hit other unexpected problems. > As I said from the joke, I am never going to learn those other languages > so why do I need them? Why waste time doing things like that? That's my line. <shrug> The big space users these days are video and music files, aren't they? 1.9GB is less than 1 DVD rip. And it's the space taken up by 3 or 4 CDs. Not a lot of space, y'know? > > Once upon a time, I used to put my apps on a diet and strip out the code > > that made it fat - back in the days of the 68k/PPC transition. > > > > But there stopped being any need for that many many years ago, when HDDs > > got a bit bigger. > > My hard disk hasn't got any bigger recently. Mine keep growing - but that's because Macs are unreliable and I've had to replace mine too often. > > I don't understand why anyone would feel it'd help to strip out a mere > > 1.9MB of data from a modern PC's HDD. > > GB. It is a lot bigger than a MB. Umm. Yeah, I keep hitting the wrong button. I've just thrown away quite a few GB from my 1TB HDD. I've got hundreds of GB free. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Woody on 17 May 2010 04:55 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > As I said from the joke, I am never going to learn those other languages > > so why do I need them? > > Why waste time doing things like that? It takes hardly any time, and the time it does take is machine time, so why not? > That's my line. <shrug> The > big space users these days are video and music files, aren't they? Maybe. But if I lose 1.9GB of music files, there are 1.9GB of music I can't listen to. If I lose 1.9GB of localisation files I lose nothing I need. > Not a lot of space, y'know? Still is a fairly large amount of space on a laptop drive. > > > Once upon a time, I used to put my apps on a diet and strip out the code > > > that made it fat - back in the days of the 68k/PPC transition. > > > > > > But there stopped being any need for that many many years ago, when HDDs > > > got a bit bigger. > > > > My hard disk hasn't got any bigger recently. > > Mine keep growing - but that's because Macs are unreliable and I've had > to replace mine too often. Mine aren't any more unreliable than they used to be. > > > I don't understand why anyone would feel it'd help to strip out a mere > > > 1.9MB of data from a modern PC's HDD. > > > > GB. It is a lot bigger than a MB. > > Umm. Yeah, I keep hitting the wrong button. > > I've just thrown away quite a few GB from my 1TB HDD. I've got hundreds > of GB free. Thats nice. I don't have a TB hdd in my macbook pro. -- Woody
From: Rowland McDonnell on 18 May 2010 04:02 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > As I said from the joke, I am never going to learn those other languages > > > so why do I need them? > > > > Why waste time doing things like that? > > It takes hardly any time, and the time it does take is machine time, so > why not? <puzzled> But you had to find out all about doing the job - that took time. And there are always risks that something'll go wrong when you do things like that. And it's not just machine time! You have to tell the machine to do the job, and then you spend time checking what it's done, and has it done it properly, and so on. > > That's my line. <shrug> The > > big space users these days are video and music files, aren't they? > > Maybe. But if I lose 1.9GB of music files, there are 1.9GB of music I > can't listen to. If I lose 1.9GB of localisation files I lose nothing I > need. If and only if you're running out of HD space and if and only if you have another 1.9GB of music you really want to put on it. btw, ~10GB is ~1.3 days worth of music in ALC format (so sez my chamber music playlist). Seems to me that you're wanting to use your laptop as your music store and you really shouldn't be thinking of doing that unless it's got a really really big HDD. The 1TB I've got in my iMac's a suitable size for sticking yer music collection on. > > Not a lot of space, y'know? > > Still is a fairly large amount of space on a laptop drive. Hmm - 250GB-500GB HD sizes on the current MacBook range, so it seems. So 1.9GB does show up. Then again, it does on my 1TB HDD... > > > > Once upon a time, I used to put my apps on a diet and strip out the code > > > > that made it fat - back in the days of the 68k/PPC transition. > > > > > > > > But there stopped being any need for that many many years ago, when HDDs > > > > got a bit bigger. > > > > > > My hard disk hasn't got any bigger recently. > > > > Mine keep growing - but that's because Macs are unreliable and I've had > > to replace mine too often. > > Mine aren't any more unreliable than they used to be. All the PPC Macs we bought new died in service, mostly just out of warranty. All of them, no exceptions. We've got a lot of working 68k Macs. <shrug> > > > > I don't understand why anyone would feel it'd help to strip out a mere > > > > 1.9MB of data from a modern PC's HDD. > > > > > > GB. It is a lot bigger than a MB. > > > > Umm. Yeah, I keep hitting the wrong button. > > > > I've just thrown away quite a few GB from my 1TB HDD. I've got hundreds > > of GB free. > > Thats nice. I don't have a TB hdd in my macbook pro. But if you want your laptop to be your multimedia file store, you really should be thinking about a big store like that. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Woody on 18 May 2010 04:25 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > As I said from the joke, I am never going to learn those other languages > > > > so why do I need them? > > > > > > Why waste time doing things like that? > > > > It takes hardly any time, and the time it does take is machine time, so > > why not? > > <puzzled> But you had to find out all about doing the job - that took > time. And there are always risks that something'll go wrong when you do > things like that. Yeh, but low risks. I didn't have spend time to find out, someone posted about it just up there ^ > And it's not just machine time! You have to tell the machine to do the > job, and then you spend time checking what it's done, and has it done it > properly, and so on. download, run. What else is there to find out? And what time to I need to spend to find out if it worked? it either did or it didn't, there is no point me spending time finding out if it did. > > > That's my line. <shrug> The > > > big space users these days are video and music files, aren't they? > > > > Maybe. But if I lose 1.9GB of music files, there are 1.9GB of music I > > can't listen to. If I lose 1.9GB of localisation files I lose nothing I > > need. > > If and only if you're running out of HD space and if and only if you > have another 1.9GB of music you really want to put on it. I have already said I am low on space > btw, ~10GB is ~1.3 days worth of music in ALC format (so sez my chamber > music playlist). I don't use ALC, I use acc > Seems to me that you're wanting to use your laptop as your music store > and you really shouldn't be thinking of doing that unless it's got a > really really big HDD. Why? Its my laptop, I want all my music on it (or a sizeable subset) as I want to sync it with my iPod. > The 1TB I've got in my iMac's a suitable size for sticking yer music > collection on. It is also on my iMac (well, again, a different subset) > > > Not a lot of space, y'know? > > > > Still is a fairly large amount of space on a laptop drive. > > Hmm - 250GB-500GB HD sizes on the current MacBook range, so it seems. Mine is 320. > So 1.9GB does show up. Then again, it does on my 1TB HDD... > > > > > > Once upon a time, I used to put my apps on a diet and strip out > > > > > the code that made it fat - back in the days of the 68k/PPC > > > > > transition. > > > > > > > > > > But there stopped being any need for that many many years ago, > > > > > when HDDs got a bit bigger. > > > > > > > > My hard disk hasn't got any bigger recently. > > > > > > Mine keep growing - but that's because Macs are unreliable and I've had > > > to replace mine too often. > > > > Mine aren't any more unreliable than they used to be. > > All the PPC Macs we bought new died in service, mostly just out of > warranty. All of them, no exceptions. We've got a lot of working 68k > Macs. I have a lot of working PPC macs. Actually i don't any more as I sold a few, but my Powermac G4/400 is still working (not with me). My G4/1.25DP is still working a few weeks ago when I switched it on to test java stuff on, my old powerbook G4/500 is still working as I believe (last time I heard) was the 800 (JamesB old laptop). The only trouble I have had is power supplies. Even the iBooks were reliable apart from the keyboard keys > > <shrug> > > > > > > I don't understand why anyone would feel it'd help to strip out a mere > > > > > 1.9MB of data from a modern PC's HDD. > > > > > > > > GB. It is a lot bigger than a MB. > > > > > > Umm. Yeah, I keep hitting the wrong button. > > > > > > I've just thrown away quite a few GB from my 1TB HDD. I've got hundreds > > > of GB free. > > > > Thats nice. I don't have a TB hdd in my macbook pro. > > But if you want your laptop to be your multimedia file store, you really > should be thinking about a big store like that. I really don't. I have had my music stored on many computers, and very few of them have 1TB. Only now my iMac has 1TB and my PC has 2TB. -- Woody
From: Rowland McDonnell on 18 May 2010 05:45
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > As I said from the joke, I am never going to learn those other > > > > > languages so why do I need them? > > > > > > > > Why waste time doing things like that? > > > > > > It takes hardly any time, and the time it does take is machine time, so > > > why not? > > > > <puzzled> But you had to find out all about doing the job - that took > > time. And there are always risks that something'll go wrong when you do > > things like that. > > Yeh, but low risks. I didn't have spend time to find out, someone posted > about it just up there ^ Riight - so when someone posts info here that you find useful, it ends up directly inserted into your brain without you having to spend any time at all doing things like reading? Hmm? You need to count your minutes more carefully, you do. > > And it's not just machine time! You have to tell the machine to do the > > job, and then you spend time checking what it's done, and has it done it > > properly, and so on. > > download, run. What else is there to find out? Where to download, what it does, what the consequences are, doing the backup before doing the job, and so on. Lots human time involved. > And what time to I need to spend to find out if it worked? it either did > or it didn't, there is no point me spending time finding out if it did. The point would be to save you the bother of clearing up the mess it made, if mess it had made. > > > > That's my line. <shrug> The > > > > big space users these days are video and music files, aren't they? > > > > > > Maybe. But if I lose 1.9GB of music files, there are 1.9GB of music I > > > can't listen to. If I lose 1.9GB of localisation files I lose nothing I > > > need. > > > > If and only if you're running out of HD space and if and only if you > > have another 1.9GB of music you really want to put on it. > > I have already said I am low on space Yers, but that's a subjective judgement on your part which does not inform me of anything useful. > > btw, ~10GB is ~1.3 days worth of music in ALC format (so sez my chamber > > music playlist). > > I don't use ALC, I use acc I care about quality and sanity. There's not a lot of advantage in using lossily compressed audio if you ask me - 320 kbit/s is only about 1/3-1/2 the data rate of losslessly compressed audio, so why bother? (okay, for BBC R4 programmes, 128kbit/s really is fine. Speech is one thing; music is another) > > Seems to me that you're wanting to use your laptop as your music store > > and you really shouldn't be thinking of doing that unless it's got a > > really really big HDD. > > Why? Its my laptop, I want all my music on it (or a sizeable subset) as > I want to sync it with my iPod. If you want all your music on it (and I assume that means losslessly compressed, being the only sane way to do it), you need a HDD big enough. And you need the HDD big enough for all the music and all of everything else. And that means something a bit more than 320GB, I'd've thought. <shrug> [snip] > > > > I've just thrown away quite a few GB from my 1TB HDD. I've got hundreds > > > > of GB free. > > > > > > Thats nice. I don't have a TB hdd in my macbook pro. > > > > But if you want your laptop to be your multimedia file store, you really > > should be thinking about a big store like that. > > I really don't. I have had my music stored on many computers, and very > few of them have 1TB. Only now my iMac has 1TB and my PC has 2TB. Yeah, but that's useless for a decent multimedia file store. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |