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From: Mike Rosenberg on 14 Jun 2010 21:28 Ian Gregory <ianji33(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2010-06-14, Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > > > Well, all that work was to make excuses for not observing the Sabbath on > > the seventh day anyway. > > Unless you are sure that humanity has reliably kept track of every > passing day since God kicked back and rolled a fat doobie then it seems > to me that any day of the week is as likely to be "the seventh day" as > any other - it might be Wednesday for all you know. Oh, I'm going by the Gregorian calendar, which has the week starting on Sunday, and by the fact that in Romance languages Saturday is named for the Sabbath rather than a certain planet. Besides, Mr. Wolf himself indicated that Christians intentionally started honoring the sabbath on the first day instead of the last because they felt like it. -- Favorite yoga position: Rosh hashavasana, the high holy pose Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Mike Rosenberg on 15 Jun 2010 07:51 John Wolf <jwolf6589(a)THUNDERBIRDgmail.com> wrote: > > Besides, Mr. Wolf himself indicated that Christians intentionally > > started honoring the sabbath on the first day instead of the last > > because they felt like it. > > > I did not. He then went on to repeat stuff from his site indicating exactly what I said in the first place. -- Favorite yoga position: Rosh hashavasana, the high holy pose Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi>
From: Bill Braun on 15 Jun 2010 08:22 John Wolf wrote: > On 6/14/10 9:28 PM, Mike Rosenberg wrote: >> Ian Gregory<ianji33(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2010-06-14, Mike Rosenberg<mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, all that work was to make excuses for not observing the >>>> Sabbath on >>>> the seventh day anyway. >>> >>> Unless you are sure that humanity has reliably kept track of every >>> passing day since God kicked back and rolled a fat doobie then it seems >>> to me that any day of the week is as likely to be "the seventh day" as >>> any other - it might be Wednesday for all you know. >> >> Oh, I'm going by the Gregorian calendar, which has the week starting on >> Sunday, and by the fact that in Romance languages Saturday is named for >> the Sabbath rather than a certain planet. >> >> Besides, Mr. Wolf himself indicated that Christians intentionally >> started honoring the sabbath on the first day instead of the last >> because they felt like it. >> > I did not. > > Jesus did not follow the legalistic Sabbath traditions of his day but > fulfilled the law of God perfectly (Mt 5:17-18). After His death the > binding nature of the law was no longer to be followed (Rm 10:4, Gal > 3:23-25, Eph 2:15) and so it made sense why the early church also did > not follow the Sabbath regulations of the Mosaic Law and changed their > day of worship from the Hebrew Sabbath to Sunday and met on the first > day of the week, which is Sunday. The first reference to Christians > gathering to worship indicates that they did not gather on the Sabbath > or seventh day of the week but on Sunday (Acts 20:7-12). The reason the > early church did not see a need to worship on the seventh day is that > they wanted to celebrate Christs resurrection & power over death. [1] > The three main passages in the New Testament that move the Sabbath to > Sunday are (1 Cor 16:2, Acts 20:7, & Rev 1:10). New Testament believers > are not under the old Mosaic Law and therefore are not forced to observe > the Sabbath day, but should observe & give this day entirely to God. In > this article I wish to argue why Christians should honor the Lords Day > to glorify God, get rest & nourishment, & connect with others. All verse > quotations unless otherwise indicated will be from the New International > Version (NIV). Round 2: Advantage - Wolf Score: Wolf 2, Bullies 0 For the intelligence your current target of abuse allegedly lacks, he sure seems to have you by the short ones.
From: Wes Groleau on 15 Jun 2010 09:03 On 06-15-2010 08:22, Bill Braun wrote: > For the intelligence your current target of abuse allegedly > lacks, he sure seems to have you by the short ones. He misrepresents our Scriptures to counter Mike's distortion of the facts. Shifting to Sunday was not merely a matter of "they felt like it." The symbolism of honoring the resurrection, and of giving God the first day instead of the last were reasons for the choice. However, what triggered the change was the increasing animosity from non-Christian Jews. The Wolf disingenuously points to Acts 20 as "the first reference" when in fact several prior passages mention disciples going to synagogues or temples to worship on the Sabbath. Tweak your killfiles and leave the Wolf outside the fold. -- Wes Groleau Review of the article The Overwhelmed Generation in FL Annals http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1313
From: rf on 15 Jun 2010 09:42
"Wes Groleau" <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote in message news:hv7tn1$oqb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 06-15-2010 08:22, Bill Braun wrote: >> For the intelligence your current target of abuse allegedly >> lacks, he sure seems to have you by the short ones. > > He misrepresents our Scriptures to counter Mike's distortion of the facts. > Shifting to Sunday was not merely a matter of "they felt like it." The > symbolism of honoring the resurrection, and of giving God the first day > instead of the last were reasons for the choice. Hang on. This is your actual God we are talking about here isn't it? You know, the all mighty one? The one that is believed in by a whopping one third of the people on the planet? We, the mere mortals, well the one third of us anyway, can't simply decide amongst ourselves which day to give the big bloke as his day off, can we? He is your real almighty damn God for bloody Christs sake, what he says goes, doesn't it? Well, for that one third it does. If he says to his one third that Wednesday is His Day Off then who are we, the one third, to dispute him? Let him have it, otherwise storms and pestillation may be smighted upon us, and those bloody other religions will get upset when the pestillation spills over into their backyard. Now, however, back to our usual programming, which has absolutely nothing to with any bloody deity. In other words, take it elsewhere. |