"The Adobe Photoshop CS4 Book for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby
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From: Charlie Groh on 20 Nov 2009 01:11 On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:35:49 -0600, Better Info <binfo(a)someisp.net> wrote: >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:33:35 +1000, Troy Piggins <usenet-0911(a)piggo.com> >wrote: > >>* Better Info wrote : >>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:08:45 -0500, tony cooper >>> <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>>Better Info <binfo(a)someisp.net> >>> >>> I have no need to try to pawn off bad photography bounded in an >>> instructional book to try to make all that wasted time and effort with a >>> camera worth it. My photography stands on its own merit. I don't have to >>> trick anyone into buying it. >> >>What if everyone was downloading your photography for free off >>binary groups when you were trying to sell it? > >Then I stop selling it publicly, just as I have for that very reason. >They're now by private sale only, in limited editions. It's not my loss, >it's everyone else's loss. I could care less if I sell any more of my >photography. I already earned more than I can ever use in a lifetime. > >Judging by those photography instructional books, the photography world >would be a much better place if those authors pulled their books >permanently. They're not even worth stealing. If it ain't worth stealing, >it sure as hell ain't worth buying. ....and he, as I, "could not" care less. Dimwit. cg
From: Phred on 20 Nov 2009 07:52 In article <4b06291c$0$6093$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>, "Mr.T" <MrT(a)home> wrote: > >"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:7ml5qdF3gl7giU2(a)mid.individual.net... >> In article <udp9g51gls0app9dckqduoj8kusu45bigs(a)4ax.com>, Better Info ><binfo(a)someisp.net> wrote: >> [snip] >> > I already earned more than I can ever use in a lifetime. >> >> Bullshit! > >Not everyone is greedy, but it would certainly be "bullshit" to most people >unfortunately. It wasn't a comment on ethics; it was a comment on credibility. Cheers, Phred. -- ppnerkDELETE(a)THISyahoo.com.INVALID
From: Teraposa Lunodas on 24 Nov 2009 07:26 What if everyone was downloading your photography for free off binary groups when you were trying to sell it? PS - I didn't pay to see his photography, I paid for his photoshop expertise. I just reckon I didn't get all of it.
From: sobriquet on 14 Dec 2009 10:25
On 19 nov, 04:47, Troy Piggins <usenet-0...(a)piggo.com> wrote: > After a little deliberation, reading reviews, trawling a few > forums, I decided so splurge and buy a couple of books. I love > reading novels, but for some reason for technical information > I've always preferred online mailing lists, forums, and USENET > newsgroups. > > Splashed out and bought CS4 Photoshop and Lightroom 2 recently, > and figured they might be worth having some books to accompany > them. Decided on "The Adobe Photoshop CS4 Book for Digital > Photographers" by Scott Kelby and "The Adobe Photoshop Lightroom > 2 Book: The Complete Guide for Photographers" by Martin Evening. > > Man, Kelby has so many books out. I know he's "the PS go-to > author", but you have to wonder if reputation precedes and if > there's actually better PS books out there but they get drowned > out by Kelby overload... > > Well, my fears have been realised. > > Books received quite promptly from Amazon. Good service, first > time I've dealt with them. But... > > The Kelby book. Very disappointed. The layout of the pages > themselves is quite appealing at first glance, plenty of images > to display what he's talking about. But when I think about it, > that's one thing that annoys me about it. Too many images. I > mean, if he's giving a step by step on something, does he really > need to give an image to show him clicking the menu button > described in the text? Waste of space where he could add more > text/info/tips. > > That brings me to my next annoyance. Every new chapter title > takes up 2 full pages. One shows a photo, the other some text. > The text is the chapter title, then the rest is the explanation > of how he came up with his "clever" chapter title. He seems to > have this thing where his chapter titles are songs or movies or > whatever that have words or something relevant to what that > chapter is really about. eg there's a chapter on Bridge so he > calls it "London Bridge". That's fine, cute, whatever, but we > don't need a page explaining why you called it that. We get it. > Just put a paragraph about this little nuance in your intro or > something and give us more meat in the content of the book. > > Next point. Give the man meat. I bought this book wanting to > learn uber-tips from the Photoshop guru. But in reality, it looks > to me like he's taken the easy road. Quite a few pages (like 10 > or so) on the unsharp mask. Not really cool things like using the > unsharp mask with edge masking or surface masking or anything, > just 10 (or so) pages on different combinations of amount, > radius, and threshold. > > Some of the cooler tips he's posted actually come from "friends" > of his showing him the tip. I like that he's passed it on, and > has acknowledged his mates, but I want to see more of his cool > stuff. I don't reckon he's sharing it all. Can't be. > > The first third or so of the book talks only about Bridge and > Camera Raw. Too much. Reckon you could split the book up, have > another thinner book on those, or each of them, sell them > cheaper. Gimme a book on CS4 Photoshop please, not the other > stuff, that's why I got Lightroom. > > Summary - I reckon the title should contain the word "Beginners" > in it. I'm not pro PS user, only had it for a couple of months. > But I picked up much of what was in the book by playing with it > and reading some online sites. > > I'll keep the book as a reference for some of the tips in there, > but reckon if I tore out the pages that contained stuff that was > either obvious or wasted space, I wouldn't be left with much > inside the covers. > > I'm just starting the Lightroom book, but initial flick through > looks like it goes into much more detail, which is what I want. > > -- > Troy Piggins Books are moronic and dull. Try tutorial video's instead: http://thepiratebay.org/search/lynda%20photoshop/0/99/0 |