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From: cjcountess on 7 Jul 2010 18:38
On Jun 29, 11:46 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> cjcountesswrote:
> > The postulates
> > 1) The speed of light is highest possible speed in universe
> > 2) The speed of light is constant regardless of motion of observer or
> > observed
>
> Those cannot possibly give you SR, or anything remotely like it.
>
> You absolutely must have this postulate:
>
>   1. (the Principle of Relativity) The laws by which the states of physical
>      systems undergo change are not affected, whether these changes be
>      referred to the one or the other of any two inertial frames.
>
> Indeed, with just that postulate and the "hidden postulates" of SR [#], one can
> derive three theories based on the Euclid, Galilei, and Lorentz groups (this
> illustrates the power of group theory). Only the third survives experimental
> tests, and is known as SR.

Tom Roberts, see this

http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/spring98/ast3033/Relativity/GeneralRelativity.htm


Special Relativity
In 1905 Albert Einstein introduced his theory of special relativity.
With this theory Einstein sought to make the laws of motion consistent
with James Clerk Maxwell's (1831-1879) laws of electromagnetism. Those
laws predicted that light in vacuum traveled at a speed c (about
300,000 km/s) that was independent of the motion of the observer of
the light and of the light source. Newton's law of motion, however,
predicted that the speed of light should depend upon the motion of the
observer. Einstein basically sided with Maxwell! Special relativity
makes two postulates:


The laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers.


The speed of light in vacuum is independent of the motion of all
observers and sources, and is observed to have the same value





Does this mean that you were wrong and I was right, or maybe we were
both only have right as this site does include both our postulates or
principles.


But you also said

> Those cannot possibly give you SR, or anything remotely like it.
>
> You absolutely must have this postulate:
>
> 1. (the Principle of Relativity) The laws by which the states of physical
> systems undergo change are not affected, whether these changes be
> referred to the one or the other of any two inertial frames.



when it seems to me that the principle you stated can from the
principles I stated, unless you mean the older Euclid and Galileo
versions, because I really meant, and maybe should have may it clear,
the "Lorentz, Einstein" version .



And just what are these hidden principles you mentioned here



> Indeed, with just that postulate and the "hidden postulates" of SR [#], one can
> derive three theories based on the Euclid, Galilei, and Lorentz groups (this
> illustrates the power of group theory). Only the third survives experimental
> tests, and is known as SR.



Thomas Heger

You seem like a true original and you have my respect.

I looked at some of your slide show, and it reveals a true interest
and natural incite, although I might state somethings differently.

I stated earlier that I had a similar idea specifically concerning a
Cosmic Pattern see www.cjc123.com and it also contains ideas that
overlap with some in your latest post.

Still I wonder why you say

> "No, that's not true, but near."

to my statement

> "The speed of Light is not the Highest Speed in the Universe it is
> Actually the Slowest."




Conrad J Countess
From: cjcountess on 13 Jul 2010 11:11
The postulates

1) The speed of light is highest possible speed in universe

2) The speed of light is constant regardless of motion of observer or
observed

and

"The speed of Light is not the Highest Speed in the Universe it is
Actually the Slowest."


are not in conflict with each other.


The Speed of Light is the Slowest Speed in the Universe.


It is the ground state around which all wave and rest mass oscillates,
analogous to orbiting, and as such is the "central sun" and "common
ground", upon which mass is built.

This is why equations (E=hf/c^2) is analogous to and directly
corresponds to (F=Mm/r^2), and (E=mc^2) to (F=mv^2).

The speed of light or "c", is constant regardless of motion of
observer and observed and the energy of "h" is also.
This is because (c = h) as "h" is the constant "mass/energy" that
comes from the constant velocity of "c".

All motion is relative, so as light moves in straight line at constant
speed of "c", we move in straight line at constant speed of "c" also
in opposite direction, so who is actually moving.

Furthermore to move in straight line at constant speed, is to remain
still, in ones own frame of reference.

That said the constant speed of light in straight line is like being
still as far as light is concerned.
Wave occur when extra energy is displaced against the speed of light
barrier into the angular direction and manifest as increase in
amplitude and frequency. Thus wave appear as extra energy on top of (c
= h) as indeed (E=hf/c^2) which is higher than just (E = h) and rest
mass occurs at (E=hf=mc^2), which is higher still than (c = h).

With the speed of light as the ground, and the higher the frequency or
cycles per time unit, recognized as higher speed in angular direction
above "c", which is how the higher energy, mass, and momentum, is
created, until at "c^2", which is "c" in the linear direction, x "c"
in the 90 degree angular direction, to create "c" in circular motion,
with angular momentum of "h/2pi" as circle, and "h/2pi/2" as sphere
and rest mass, we can see that "c" is not the highest speed in the
universe but actually the slowest and at same time is fastest and
constant in linear direction, but not in angular direction.

As a matter of fact, the only motion that seems to be occurring, is in
the angular direction, with linear motion, more akin to illusion.

I'll leave that open to contemplation

The revolution in physics is continuing

Conrad J Countess
From: cjcountess on 13 Jul 2010 11:43
On Jul 13, 11:11 am, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> The postulates
>
> 1) The speed of light is highest possible speed in universe
>
> 2) The speed of light is constant regardless of motion of observer or
> observed
>
> and
>
> "The speed of Light is not the Highest Speed in the Universe it is
>  Actually the Slowest."
>
>  are not in conflict with each other.

this is not what I wanted to say


1) The speed of light is constant and the highest in linear direction,
but varies in angular direction.

2) The higher the frequency, the higher the speed (cycles per time
unit) and at (c^2), which is (c in circular and or spherical
rotation), a particle attains rest mass.

and

The speed of light is not the highest speed in the Universe but
actually the slowest

is what I really meant to say


Conrad J Countess
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