From: Copie on 18 May 2010 02:54 Assuming that the universe has a finite age, civilisations only have so much time in which to exist. This leads me to believe that most (type III) civilisations will attempt to maximise the time available by numerous means. The first that jumps to mind is by moving to a faster substrate. However given the malleability of time it would make sense for these civilisations to find the "fastest" part of the universe in which to place that substrate. I.e., we know that clocks on GPS satellites run slower than clocks on the Earth. Does this mean that when the universe ends the GPS satellites will not have "lived" as long as the Earth (ignoring the fact that both will eventually die when the sun goes)? If this is the case then by extension it would make sense to get off the Earth given it's travelling around the Sun at a measurable rate. If we were to hang in space, as still as possible relative to the Sun then would time would run slower for us than for our colleagues remaining on the Earth, would we would effectively have longer to live assuming we were immortal? Taking it further is it possible to find a point relative to the majority of the visible universe where we would be as stationary as possible (as slow as possible) where time would run at it's slowest, effectively giving us longer to live within the finite age of the universe? Assuming all my conjecture (and shaky grasp of relativity) is true, where would this "slowest" point in the universe be? How would you find it? Perhaps by taking a selection of known period quasars and travelling in all directions whilst measuring their period until they ran as fast as possible, which means you are as slow as possible? Would we find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the universe in order to maximize their time here?
From: Androcles on 18 May 2010 03:05 "Copie" <gordon(a)copestake.org> wrote in message news:7a07c484-43c5-45b2-bdca-190a24c97d43(a)s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > Assuming that the universe has a finite age, civilisations only have > so much time in which to exist. This leads me to believe that most > (type III) civilisations will attempt to maximise the time available > by numerous means. > > The first that jumps to mind is by moving to a faster substrate. > However given the malleability of time it would make sense for these > civilisations to find the "fastest" part of the universe in which to > place that substrate. I.e., we know that clocks on GPS satellites run > slower than clocks on the Earth. Does this mean that when the universe > ends the GPS satellites will not have "lived" as long as the Earth > (ignoring the fact that both will eventually die when the sun goes)? > > If this is the case then by extension it would make sense to get off > the Earth given it's travelling around the Sun at a measurable rate. > If we were to hang in space, as still as possible relative to the Sun > then would time would run slower for us than for our colleagues > remaining on the Earth, would we would effectively have longer to live > assuming we were immortal? > > Taking it further is it possible to find a point relative to the > majority of the visible universe where we would be as stationary as > possible (as slow as possible) where time would run at it's slowest, > effectively giving us longer to live within the finite age of the > universe? > > Assuming all my conjecture (and shaky grasp of relativity) is true, > where would this "slowest" point in the universe be? How would you > find it? Perhaps by taking a selection of known period quasars and > travelling in all directions whilst measuring their period until they > ran as fast as possible, which means you are as slow as possible? > Would we find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the > universe in order to maximize their time here? Assuming that you are a ranting lunatic, you would find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the universe in order to maximize their time here. I will not.
From: Copie on 18 May 2010 03:33 On 18 May, 08:05, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > "Copie" <gor...(a)copestake.org> wrote in message > > news:7a07c484-43c5-45b2-bdca-190a24c97d43(a)s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > Assuming that the universe has a finite age, civilisations only have > > so much time in which to exist. This leads me to believe that most > > (type III) civilisations will attempt to maximise the time available > > by numerous means. > > > The first that jumps to mind is by moving to a faster substrate. > > However given the malleability of time it would make sense for these > > civilisations to find the "fastest" part of the universe in which to > > place that substrate. I.e., we know that clocks on GPS satellites run > > slower than clocks on the Earth. Does this mean that when the universe > > ends the GPS satellites will not have "lived" as long as the Earth > > (ignoring the fact that both will eventually die when the sun goes)? > > > If this is the case then by extension it would make sense to get off > > the Earth given it's travelling around the Sun at a measurable rate. > > If we were to hang in space, as still as possible relative to the Sun > > then would time would run slower for us than for our colleagues > > remaining on the Earth, would we would effectively have longer to live > > assuming we were immortal? > > > Taking it further is it possible to find a point relative to the > > majority of the visible universe where we would be as stationary as > > possible (as slow as possible) where time would run at it's slowest, > > effectively giving us longer to live within the finite age of the > > universe? > > > Assuming all my conjecture (and shaky grasp of relativity) is true, > > where would this "slowest" point in the universe be? How would you > > find it? Perhaps by taking a selection of known period quasars and > > travelling in all directions whilst measuring their period until they > > ran as fast as possible, which means you are as slow as possible? > > Would we find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the > > universe in order to maximize their time here? > > Assuming that you are a ranting lunatic, you would find numerous aliens > hiding in the slow spaces of the > universe in order to maximize their time here. I will not. I'm not entirely certain how my mental state effects the physics but you seem to be suggesting that I'm correct in my assumption that there are "slow" spaces in the universe. Could you advise if I'm also correct in my assumption that living in one of these slow spaces would give a subjectively longer lifespan from a point in time to the end of the universe (regardless of that mechanism)
From: Androcles on 18 May 2010 03:38 "Copie" <gordon(a)copestake.org> wrote in message news:44887838-441e-4ada-aa9c-c115e06f2f2e(a)y12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com... > On 18 May, 08:05, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: >> "Copie" <gor...(a)copestake.org> wrote in message >> >> news:7a07c484-43c5-45b2-bdca-190a24c97d43(a)s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > Assuming that the universe has a finite age, civilisations only have >> > so much time in which to exist. This leads me to believe that most >> > (type III) civilisations will attempt to maximise the time available >> > by numerous means. >> >> > The first that jumps to mind is by moving to a faster substrate. >> > However given the malleability of time it would make sense for these >> > civilisations to find the "fastest" part of the universe in which to >> > place that substrate. I.e., we know that clocks on GPS satellites run >> > slower than clocks on the Earth. Does this mean that when the universe >> > ends the GPS satellites will not have "lived" as long as the Earth >> > (ignoring the fact that both will eventually die when the sun goes)? >> >> > If this is the case then by extension it would make sense to get off >> > the Earth given it's travelling around the Sun at a measurable rate. >> > If we were to hang in space, as still as possible relative to the Sun >> > then would time would run slower for us than for our colleagues >> > remaining on the Earth, would we would effectively have longer to live >> > assuming we were immortal? >> >> > Taking it further is it possible to find a point relative to the >> > majority of the visible universe where we would be as stationary as >> > possible (as slow as possible) where time would run at it's slowest, >> > effectively giving us longer to live within the finite age of the >> > universe? >> >> > Assuming all my conjecture (and shaky grasp of relativity) is true, >> > where would this "slowest" point in the universe be? How would you >> > find it? Perhaps by taking a selection of known period quasars and >> > travelling in all directions whilst measuring their period until they >> > ran as fast as possible, which means you are as slow as possible? >> > Would we find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the >> > universe in order to maximize their time here? >> >> Assuming that you are a ranting lunatic, you would find numerous aliens >> hiding in the slow spaces of the >> universe in order to maximize their time here. I will not. > > I'm not entirely certain how my mental state effects the physics It doesn't affect it at all, but you were not discussing physics. Your mental state affects your sci-fi.
From: Copie on 18 May 2010 05:20 On May 18, 8:38 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > "Copie" <gor...(a)copestake.org> wrote in message > > news:44887838-441e-4ada-aa9c-c115e06f2f2e(a)y12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On 18 May, 08:05, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > >> "Copie" <gor...(a)copestake.org> wrote in message > > >>news:7a07c484-43c5-45b2-bdca-190a24c97d43(a)s41g2000vba.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > Assuming that the universe has a finite age, civilisations only have > >> > so much time in which to exist. This leads me to believe that most > >> > (type III) civilisations will attempt to maximise the time available > >> > by numerous means. > > >> > The first that jumps to mind is by moving to a faster substrate. > >> > However given the malleability of time it would make sense for these > >> > civilisations to find the "fastest" part of the universe in which to > >> > place that substrate. I.e., we know that clocks on GPS satellites run > >> > slower than clocks on the Earth. Does this mean that when the universe > >> > ends the GPS satellites will not have "lived" as long as the Earth > >> > (ignoring the fact that both will eventually die when the sun goes)? > > >> > If this is the case then by extension it would make sense to get off > >> > the Earth given it's travelling around the Sun at a measurable rate. > >> > If we were to hang in space, as still as possible relative to the Sun > >> > then would time would run slower for us than for our colleagues > >> > remaining on the Earth, would we would effectively have longer to live > >> > assuming we were immortal? > > >> > Taking it further is it possible to find a point relative to the > >> > majority of the visible universe where we would be as stationary as > >> > possible (as slow as possible) where time would run at it's slowest, > >> > effectively giving us longer to live within the finite age of the > >> > universe? > > >> > Assuming all my conjecture (and shaky grasp of relativity) is true, > >> > where would this "slowest" point in the universe be? How would you > >> > find it? Perhaps by taking a selection of known period quasars and > >> > travelling in all directions whilst measuring their period until they > >> > ran as fast as possible, which means you are as slow as possible? > >> > Would we find numerous aliens hiding in the slow spaces of the > >> > universe in order to maximize their time here? > > >> Assuming that you are a ranting lunatic, you would find numerous aliens > >> hiding in the slow spaces of the > >> universe in order to maximize their time here. I will not. > > > I'm not entirely certain how my mental state effects the physics > > It doesn't affect it at all, but you were not discussing physics. Your > mental state affects your sci-fi. Thats a fair point, but Sci-Fi has done a lot to popularise physics and astronomy. Blackholes for example are a household name not because the public read a paper about them but because popular culture and sci- fi used the idea. Returning to my original point, I was asking if it was possible to find a stationary point in the universe which would maximise the length of time subjectively experienced. If I can't ask a question about time dilation in the sci.physics.relativity group I'm at a loss.
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