The final cut..... Deep water Horizon
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From: John Larkin on 2 Jun 2010 09:51 On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: >On Jun 2, 9:13�am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> >wrote: >> On 02/06/2010 02:19, Martin Riddle wrote: >> >> > This is interesting, �They cut the riser with a large shear, now �they >> > are cutting the riser at the top of the BOP. >> >> > Anyone betting lots of oil will gush out? >> >> Yup. If they unlucky they could almost double the flow rate. >> >> I just hope they have some convincing way of attaching the new >> contraption that is supposed to take the oil away afterwards. Oh look it >> has filled with ice and dropped off will not play well. >> >> > (mind the wrap) >> > <http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english...> >> >> I want to see what instructions the production manager of the rig gave >> to the operating team and when they knew the BOP was no longer failsafe. > >I suspect that we will find out. The US government does seem to >searching for scapegoats, and BP's production manager would do fine - >it's not as if British Petroleum would have paid to help any US >politicians to get themselves elected, though they may have had to >"lobby" to get permission to drill the well in the first place. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html John
From: mpm on 2 Jun 2010 15:34 On Jun 2, 1:07 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Martin Riddle wrote: > > This is interesting, They cut the riser with a large shear, now they > > are cutting the riser at the top of the BOP. > > > Anyone betting lots of oil will gush out? > > > (mind the wrap) > >http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english... > > Is it just me being cynical, or is someone paid to sit there and twiddle the > ROV joystick 24/7 to make it look like they are doing something? > > Just nuke it I recon. Can't possibly do any worse. > > Dave. > > -- > ================================================ > Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com How big is this thing? The more images I see on TV, the more I start wondering why they just dont erect a giant concrete block pyramid over the top of it, with loads of plastic wrap or sheeting in-between. Take several BIG ships worth of concrete blocks out to the site and start lowering away.... Might take several days to do, and even if it didn't stop 100% of the leak, at least it would buy you time until BP drilled the relief well? Of course, I don't know diddly about deep-water drilling, so there could be a very logical explanation why this effort wasn't undertaken. But on TV, it looks like it would do the trick.... Just keep stacking blocks.
From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 2 Jun 2010 15:50 mpm wrote: > The more images I see on TV, the more I start wondering why they just > dont erect a giant concrete block pyramid over the top of it, with > loads of plastic wrap or sheeting in-between. That is similar to what they tried to do first. Problem is in the addition to the Archimedes force there is a bubble of oil under high pressure which tries to lift the dome from the floor and/or unassemble it. VLV
From: linnix on 2 Jun 2010 16:44 On Jun 2, 12:34 pm, mpm <mpmill...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 1:07 am, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Martin Riddle wrote: > > > This is interesting, They cut the riser with a large shear, now they > > > are cutting the riser at the top of the BOP. > > > > Anyone betting lots of oil will gush out? > > > > (mind the wrap) > > >http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english.... > > > Is it just me being cynical, or is someone paid to sit there and twiddle the > > ROV joystick 24/7 to make it look like they are doing something? > > > Just nuke it I recon. Can't possibly do any worse. > > > Dave. > > > -- > > ================================================ > > Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com > > How big is this thing? > The more images I see on TV, the more I start wondering why they just > dont erect a giant concrete block pyramid over the top of it, with > loads of plastic wrap or sheeting in-between. > Take several BIG ships worth of concrete blocks out to the site and > start lowering away.... With estimates of 15,000 psi oil jet in 2,000 psi water pressure, concrete block works more like styrofoams.
From: Bill Sloman on 2 Jun 2010 18:19
On Jun 2, 3:51 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT),Bill Sloman > > > > <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >On Jun 2, 9:13 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...(a)nezumi.demon.co.uk> > >wrote: > >> On 02/06/2010 02:19, Martin Riddle wrote: > > >> > This is interesting, They cut the riser with a large shear, now they > >> > are cutting the riser at the top of the BOP. > > >> > Anyone betting lots of oil will gush out? > > >> Yup. If they unlucky they could almost double the flow rate. > > >> I just hope they have some convincing way of attaching the new > >> contraption that is supposed to take the oil away afterwards. Oh look it > >> has filled with ice and dropped off will not play well. > > >> > (mind the wrap) > >> > <http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english...> > > >> I want to see what instructions the production manager of the rig gave > >> to the operating team and when they knew the BOP was no longer failsafe. > > >I suspect that we will find out. The US government does seem to > >searching for scapegoats, and BP's production manager would do fine - > >it's not as if British Petroleum would have paid to help any US > >politicians to get themselves elected, though they may have had to > >"lobby" to get permission to drill the well in the first place. > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html Well, they didn't pay them much. Obama may well have got more money (? $77,051) from BP employees than any other politician, but his new trick was to raise money from lots of people via the internet, and and his $750 million probably includes a lot of cases where he got more money than other politician from a whole range of contributors. BP certainly does seem to have spent quite a bit more on lobbying. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen |