The key to cracking any cipher: Elephant.
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From: Ostap Bender on 14 Apr 2010 20:47 On Apr 14, 5:35 pm, purple <pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: > On 4/14/2010 6:38 PM, Ostap Bender wrote: > > > > > On Apr 12, 7:44 am, purple<pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: > >> On 4/12/2010 6:33 AM, Don Stockbauer wrote: > > >>> On Apr 9, 6:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." > >>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> On Apr 8, 5:34 am, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Apr 8, 3:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." > > >>>>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Apr 8, 2:59 am, "marty.musa...(a)gmail.com" > > >>>>>> <me...(a)vzw.blackberry.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 5:30 pm, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> The key to cracking any cipher is elephant. Simply > >>>>>>>> look for consistent > >>>>>>>>> variable repetition following the form of the word > >>>>>>>> elephant. There are > >>>>>>>>> very few words in language that repeat letters in > >>>>>>>> the pattern of the > >>>>>>>>> word elephant. > > >>>>>>>>> ELEPHANT > > >>>>>>>>> 12134567 > > >>>>>>>>> ANARCHY > > >>>>>>>>> ERELATER > > >>>>>>>> ERE-what?! And how many E's are there? > > >>>>>>> I don't know how many E's there are yet because I don't know what "e" is yet. You are missing the point I fear. > >>>>>>> The point is it does not matter. What matters is finding the ordered repetition modelling the word then try all letters. > > >>>>>>> ERELATER could be a remnant fragment of a continuing sentence of a continuous cipher. > > >>>>>>> the example might be [h]"ere later" preceeded by "meet me" > > >>>>>> You are way too brilliant for me. > > >>>>> Thank you for the compliment, but I insist I am not. > > >>>>> I am just saying, trying to make a simple point about ciphers, that, > >>>>> by assuming knowledge of the key and acting on it, this is the best > >>>>> way to decrypt. The numbers of times letters repeat in three letters > >>>>> being two, as in the beginning three letters of elephant is a great > >>>>> start. > > >>>>> The word elephant does not actually have to be there. Any of the below > >>>>> representations could be the word elephant. > > >>>>> E L E P H A N T > > >>>>> M A M O C D T O > > >>>>> T O T I A B C D > > >>>>> The point is you have letter 1, followed by letter 2, then letter 1 > >>>>> again, followed by a continues four unique letters different from the > >>>>> first three spaces occupied by the first two characters. > > >>>> That's brilliant. Unfortunately for you, the string "ERELATER" does > >>>> NOT satisfy your condition. Hint: it has three occurrences of letter > >>>> "E". > > >>>>> Try this method to any language cipher and you may find it is > >>>>> effective. > > >>>> Thank you. Next time I need to decipher what my little daughter writes > >>>> to her little sister - I will. > > >>> Better off to work towards creating a world where ciphers aren't > >>> needed. > > >> When Garfield becomes president your wish will come true! > > > That's already happened: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield > > > James Abram Garfield (November 19, 1831 September 19, 1881) was the > > 20th President of the United States. > > Wrong Garfield. > > http://www.garfield.com/ I suspect that either you think there exists only one Garfield in the World OR you have no sense of humor OR both.
From: purple on 15 Apr 2010 00:16 On 4/14/2010 7:47 PM, Ostap Bender wrote: > On Apr 14, 5:35 pm, purple<pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: >> On 4/14/2010 6:38 PM, Ostap Bender wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Apr 12, 7:44 am, purple<pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: >>>> On 4/12/2010 6:33 AM, Don Stockbauer wrote: >> >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." >>>>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:34 am, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 3:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." >> >>>>>>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2:59 am, "marty.musa...(a)gmail.com" >> >>>>>>>> <me...(a)vzw.blackberry.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 5:30 pm, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The key to cracking any cipher is elephant. Simply >>>>>>>>>> look for consistent >>>>>>>>>>> variable repetition following the form of the word >>>>>>>>>> elephant. There are >>>>>>>>>>> very few words in language that repeat letters in >>>>>>>>>> the pattern of the >>>>>>>>>>> word elephant. >> >>>>>>>>>>> ELEPHANT >> >>>>>>>>>>> 12134567 >> >>>>>>>>>>> ANARCHY >> >>>>>>>>>>> ERELATER >> >>>>>>>>>> ERE-what?! And how many E's are there? >> >>>>>>>>> I don't know how many E's there are yet because I don't know what "e" is yet. You are missing the point I fear. >>>>>>>>> The point is it does not matter. What matters is finding the ordered repetition modelling the word then try all letters. >> >>>>>>>>> ERELATER could be a remnant fragment of a continuing sentence of a continuous cipher. >> >>>>>>>>> the example might be [h]"ere later" preceeded by "meet me" >> >>>>>>>> You are way too brilliant for me. >> >>>>>>> Thank you for the compliment, but I insist I am not. >> >>>>>>> I am just saying, trying to make a simple point about ciphers, that, >>>>>>> by assuming knowledge of the key and acting on it, this is the best >>>>>>> way to decrypt. The numbers of times letters repeat in three letters >>>>>>> being two, as in the beginning three letters of elephant is a great >>>>>>> start. >> >>>>>>> The word elephant does not actually have to be there. Any of the below >>>>>>> representations could be the word elephant. >> >>>>>>> E L E P H A N T >> >>>>>>> M A M O C D T O >> >>>>>>> T O T I A B C D >> >>>>>>> The point is you have letter 1, followed by letter 2, then letter 1 >>>>>>> again, followed by a continues four unique letters different from the >>>>>>> first three spaces occupied by the first two characters. >> >>>>>> That's brilliant. Unfortunately for you, the string "ERELATER" does >>>>>> NOT satisfy your condition. Hint: it has three occurrences of letter >>>>>> "E". >> >>>>>>> Try this method to any language cipher and you may find it is >>>>>>> effective. >> >>>>>> Thank you. Next time I need to decipher what my little daughter writes >>>>>> to her little sister - I will. >> >>>>> Better off to work towards creating a world where ciphers aren't >>>>> needed. >> >>>> When Garfield becomes president your wish will come true! >> >>> That's already happened: >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield >> >>> James Abram Garfield (November 19, 1831 � September 19, 1881) was the >>> 20th President of the United States. >> >> Wrong Garfield. >> >> http://www.garfield.com/ > > I suspect that either you think there exists only one Garfield in the > World OR you have no sense of humor OR both. There is one god, there is one Garfield, and thank god and Garfield there is only one you. Or is there......
From: Steven D'Aprano on 15 Apr 2010 00:47 On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 05:34:19 -0700, Link wrote: > I am just saying, trying to make a simple point about ciphers, that, by > assuming knowledge of the key and acting on it, this is the best way to > decrypt. The numbers of times letters repeat in three letters being two, > as in the beginning three letters of elephant is a great start. > > The word elephant does not actually have to be there. Any of the below > representations could be the word elephant. > > E L E P H A N T > > M A M O C D T O > > T O T I A B C D Or any of these: P E G D M D J S Z C Q Q K P X E M L I A H L M X or even X X X X X X X X although that last one would be rather surprising. You're well over 500 years behind the times. Polyalphabetic ciphers were first invented in the 1400s. Any cipher which always encrypts a plaintext letter to the same ciphertext is so weak that it's only of historical interest. For instance, the Vigenere cipher with password "APE" would encrypt "ELEPHANT" to "FBJQXFOJ". Notice that the E L E pattern is completely obfuscated. Not is E encrypted to two different letters, but the cipher- letter J comes from two different plaintext letters. > Try this method to any language cipher and you may find it is effective. *laughs* Maybe on your Captain Midnight decoder ring. -- Steven
From: Quadibloc on 16 Apr 2010 10:37 On Apr 8, 6:34 am, Link <marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Try this method to any language cipher and you may find it is > effective. This group is not about monalphabetic substitution ciphers. It is not an effective method in cracking AES or even DES... particularly when one is not even using ECB mode. John Savard
From: Ostap Bender on 19 Apr 2010 02:49 On Apr 14, 9:16 pm, purple <pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: > On 4/14/2010 7:47 PM, Ostap Bender wrote: > > > > > On Apr 14, 5:35 pm, purple<pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: > >> On 4/14/2010 6:38 PM, Ostap Bender wrote: > > >>> On Apr 12, 7:44 am, purple<pur...(a)colorme.com> wrote: > >>>> On 4/12/2010 6:33 AM, Don Stockbauer wrote: > > >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." > >>>>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:34 am, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 3:03 am, "Ostap S. B. M. Bender Jr." > > >>>>>>> <ostap_bender_1...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2:59 am, "marty.musa...(a)gmail.com" > > >>>>>>>> <me...(a)vzw.blackberry.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 7, 5:30 pm, Link<marty.musa...(a)gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> The key to cracking any cipher is elephant. Simply > >>>>>>>>>> look for consistent > >>>>>>>>>>> variable repetition following the form of the word > >>>>>>>>>> elephant. There are > >>>>>>>>>>> very few words in language that repeat letters in > >>>>>>>>>> the pattern of the > >>>>>>>>>>> word elephant. > > >>>>>>>>>>> ELEPHANT > > >>>>>>>>>>> 12134567 > > >>>>>>>>>>> ANARCHY > > >>>>>>>>>>> ERELATER > > >>>>>>>>>> ERE-what?! And how many E's are there? > > >>>>>>>>> I don't know how many E's there are yet because I don't know what "e" is yet. You are missing the point I fear. > >>>>>>>>> The point is it does not matter. What matters is finding the ordered repetition modelling the word then try all letters. > > >>>>>>>>> ERELATER could be a remnant fragment of a continuing sentence of a continuous cipher. > > >>>>>>>>> the example might be [h]"ere later" preceeded by "meet me" > > >>>>>>>> You are way too brilliant for me. > > >>>>>>> Thank you for the compliment, but I insist I am not. > > >>>>>>> I am just saying, trying to make a simple point about ciphers, that, > >>>>>>> by assuming knowledge of the key and acting on it, this is the best > >>>>>>> way to decrypt. The numbers of times letters repeat in three letters > >>>>>>> being two, as in the beginning three letters of elephant is a great > >>>>>>> start. > > >>>>>>> The word elephant does not actually have to be there. Any of the below > >>>>>>> representations could be the word elephant. > > >>>>>>> E L E P H A N T > > >>>>>>> M A M O C D T O > > >>>>>>> T O T I A B C D > > >>>>>>> The point is you have letter 1, followed by letter 2, then letter 1 > >>>>>>> again, followed by a continues four unique letters different from the > >>>>>>> first three spaces occupied by the first two characters. > > >>>>>> That's brilliant. Unfortunately for you, the string "ERELATER" does > >>>>>> NOT satisfy your condition. Hint: it has three occurrences of letter > >>>>>> "E". > > >>>>>>> Try this method to any language cipher and you may find it is > >>>>>>> effective. > > >>>>>> Thank you. Next time I need to decipher what my little daughter writes > >>>>>> to her little sister - I will. > > >>>>> Better off to work towards creating a world where ciphers aren't > >>>>> needed. > > >>>> When Garfield becomes president your wish will come true! > > >>> That's already happened: > > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield > > >>> James Abram Garfield (November 19, 1831 September 19, 1881) was the > >>> 20th President of the United States. > > >> Wrong Garfield. > > >>http://www.garfield.com/ > > > I suspect that either you think there exists only one Garfield in the > > World OR you have no sense of humor OR both. > > There is one god, there is one Garfield, and thank god and Garfield > there is only one you. Or is there...... No. There are quit ea few Ostaps Benders in this World. There is even a Wikipedia article about us.
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