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From: Noons on 3 Mar 2010 17:06 On Mar 4, 12:52 am, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mla...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > They're really pushing it hard! They want to be able to charge for > licenses automatically. The results are really beginning to show, on the > OUG meetings first. The NYOUG in the last October was a disaster, pure > marketing pitch, mostly by Oracle and a few satellites. None of my > colleagues was there, it was a loss of time. I will not attend the spring > meeting. I don't know of any DBA (v1.0, of course) who is not Oh, the OUG has stopped being minimally relevant years ago. Once it was opened to control by external parties to peddle their wares and services instead of being run by users, the end of its usefulness was obvious. Only fools who thought it was a "great marketing avenue" kept showing up: real users left years ago. We formed a new dba one last year and it's been a success, with relevant matters being discussed and frequent meetings. Much more useful. Thank Pythian for that. Of course Oracle hasn't even offered to help, although their folks seem to be keen to show up and eat pizza at our expense... > practices too. Selling the product and then charging for the ability to > tune it is morally dubious, to say the least. That is the primary reason That one is such a customer relations disaster! I wonder who is the genius that thought that one up and if he/she has been called to explain the outcome. But knowing how things work in big corporations, probably a VP by now... > license. Instead of a nice company that I was proud to recommend to my > management, Oracle became a corporate bully that I am trying to avoid at > all costs, whenever I can. Sic transit gloria mundi. Ah well: not just you, I'm sure...
From: John Hurley on 4 Mar 2010 08:51 On Mar 3, 4:50 pm, Noons <wizofo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: snip > John, please! I am *fully* aware of how OCM can be run: I installed > and examined it AGES ago. It is a viral tool. It has no place ANYWHERE > in a modern data centre. Period. Chill dude. Your posting here made it a little unclear to me at least what you were aware of here. You don't really have any choice about installing it ... it comes with the software. New patchsets and maintenance that goes into the system keeps updating it. About the only choices that we have here is how we configure it ... if we configure it ... and if we use it ... how we use it. > > Since you can gather the information disconnected you are free to look > > at all this information before you ship it into Oracle. > > I am not even remotely interested in wasting my time filtering what is > sent to Oracle: my employer doesn't pay me to do Oracle's work. Is > that clear? If your employer pays you to support Oracle databases then anything relevant to Oracle support probably comes under your discretion in some regard. What you choose to do is obviously up to you. > > As long as Oracle support makes up the rules about "necessary" > > information ... well there's not much we can do if we need them to > > work on an SR. > > Guess what: we are the paying client of a service, we make the rules. > Basic law of business, as well as common law. > Oracle better not forget that... Maybe we don't speak the same language apparently. I don't see anyone here arguing against the idea that we don't like what has been forced on us. > > You can try going up the support foodchain without supplying it. > > You bet. And I can also make my next support payment dependent on > Oracle changing their attitude. The unfortunate situation is that Oracle customers need a support contract to be able to download patches/patchset updates/patchsets along with new releases etc.
From: Mladen Gogala on 4 Mar 2010 10:53 On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:51:37 -0800, John Hurley wrote: > You don't really have any choice about installing it ... it comes with > the software. New patchsets and maintenance that goes into the system > keeps updating it. Actually, you do. I consistently refuse to give it my CSI. -- http://mgogala.byethost5.com
From: joel garry on 4 Mar 2010 13:19 On Mar 4, 7:53 am, Mladen Gogala <n...(a)email.here.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:51:37 -0800, John Hurley wrote: > > You don't really have any choice about installing it ... it comes with > > the software. New patchsets and maintenance that goes into the system > > keeps updating it. > > Actually, you do. I consistently refuse to give it my CSI. > That's not good enough. It still keeps running and trying to call home by default. Just 'cause it doesn't succeed doesn't mean you don't have to actively configure it to turn it off. So have you figured out all the things it is doing and all the resources it is taking up? (That's the editorial ranting you, not you in particular). From the readme: ------------------------------------ begin inclusion Enabling/Disabling collection of IP and MAC addresses: ----------------------------------------------------- With the 10.2.5.0.0 release of Oracle Configuration Manager, the user now has the ability to disable the collection of specific configuration items. The only two configuration items that can be disabled are the collection of the host IP address and the Network Interface MAC accress. By default, these configuration items are collected. To disable their collection, add a property to the collector.properties file in $ORACLE_HOME/ccr/config. Add the following line to disable the collection of the host IP address: ccr.metric.host.ecm_hw_nic.inet_address=false Add the following line to disable the Network Interface MAC address collection: ccr.metric.host.ecm_hw_nic.mac_address=false The metric(s) are re-enabled by removing the corresponding line from the collector.properties file. ------------------------------------ End inclusion Did not giving the CSI prevent /oracle/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/ ccr/config/default/targets.xml from having your hostname? Have you checked where ccr.endpoint points to in ccr.properties? (If I were a bad guy, perhaps that's where I'd go to make your system give me your information. If I knew how it worked). How about those funnily named xml files in ccr/state? find $ORACLE_HOME/ccr -exec grep -l db_users {} \; -exec ll {} \; jg -- @home.com is bogus. Well, Oracle me to tears! http://weblogs.java.net/blog/2009/06/03/what-larry-said-ill-oracle-you
From: John Hurley on 4 Mar 2010 19:47
On Mar 4, 10:53 am, Mladen Gogala <n...(a)email.here.invalid> wrote: snip > > You don't really have any choice about installing it ... it comes with > > the software. New patchsets and maintenance that goes into the system > > keeps updating it. > > Actually, you do. I consistently refuse to give it my CSI. Ummm that's the configuring part and using it part ... not the installing part. |