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From: Ray Fischer on 25 Oct 2009 17:53 sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 25 okt, 06:11, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Once somebody has obtained a piece of software (regardless whether >> >they bought >> >it or downloaded it), they can create a duplicate for their friends >> >out of thin air. >> >They might be infringing copyright when people help each other out >> >like that, but it's not >> >theft, as nothing is being taken away, but rather, something is being >> >added (another copy). >> >> Similarly, emptying your bank account and transferring the funds to >> mine would not take anything away from you since only some numbers >> would be changed. > >Likewise the government can create money out of thin air. Non sequitur. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: sobriquet on 25 Oct 2009 18:02 On 25 okt, 18:15, "Red E. Kilowatt" <SPAMT...(a)aww-faq.org> wrote: > sobriquet wrote: > > On 25 okt, 05:30, "Red E. Kilowatt" <SPAMT...(a)aww-faq.org> wrote: > >> sobriquet wrote: > >>> On 25 okt, 03:24, Walter Banks <wal...(a)bytecraft.com> wrote: > >>>> Music and software piracy tracking has almost become an art form > > >>>> w.. > > >>> Yeah, sort of like how the Nazis made an art form out of human > >>> rights violations. > > >> Ooooh, the NAZI's. I'm invoking Goodwin's Law on this thread. > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law > >> "...there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet > >> discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is > >> finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" > >> whatever debate was in progress." > > >> Though I suppose it'll take more than that to put this thread out of > >> its misery. > >> -- > >> Red > > > Godwin is the most frequently employed cop out by nazis to silence a > > discussion when the fascism in their opinion is exposed. > > Actually all your name-calling -- including the NAZI references -- is > proof of your desperation. > > -- > Red Sure, and calling filesharers thieves is merely expressing a factual opinion according to misguided fascist cockroaches. Just like the nazis would argue they are merely expressing a fact when they call jews parasites.
From: sobriquet on 25 Oct 2009 18:35 On 25 okt, 22:53, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >On 25 okt, 06:11, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: > >> sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >Once somebody has obtained a piece of software (regardless whether > >> >they bought > >> >it or downloaded it), they can create a duplicate for their friends > >> >out of thin air. > >> >They might be infringing copyright when people help each other out > >> >like that, but it's not > >> >theft, as nothing is being taken away, but rather, something is being > >> >added (another copy). > > >> Similarly, emptying your bank account and transferring the funds to > >> mine would not take anything away from you since only some numbers > >> would be changed. > > >Likewise the government can create money out of thin air. > > Non sequitur. > > -- > Ray Fischer > rfisc...(a)sonic.net When you transfer money from my account to yours, you're not copying money but moving money. So you are taking away money then you take if from my account. Compare that to the hypothetical situation where you would hack into the back system, check to see what amount of money I have in the bank and copy that amount to your account, while leaving my account unaffected. The concept of theft only applies when something is taken away (except when talking figuratively, like stealing a kiss). So you can copy the number that represents the amount of money I have in my account and assign it to your account, but that typically leaves my account unaffected. Besides, just because numbers merely change, that doesn't necessarily imply that nothing is being taken away. E.g. I can have variables X and Y and assign the number 23 to X and 32 to Y. Then I'm told an arithmetic operation has taken place which has altered the numbers such that Y now has the number 9 assigned to it. I might infer that one possible explanation would be that X was subtracted from Y and the result of this subtraction was assigned to Y (so 23 out of 32 were taken away from Y).
From: Ray Fischer on 25 Oct 2009 18:38 sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 25 okt, 22:53, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >On 25 okt, 06:11, rfisc...(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >> >> sobriquet �<dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Once somebody has obtained a piece of software (regardless whether >> >> >they bought >> >> >it or downloaded it), they can create a duplicate for their friends >> >> >out of thin air. >> >> >They might be infringing copyright when people help each other out >> >> >like that, but it's not >> >> >theft, as nothing is being taken away, but rather, something is being >> >> >added (another copy). >> >> >> Similarly, emptying your bank account and transferring the funds to >> >> mine would not take anything away from you since only some numbers >> >> would be changed. >> >> >Likewise the government can create money out of thin air. >> >> Non sequitur. > >When you transfer money from my account to yours, you're not copying >money but moving money. But the money has no physical reality. It's just numbers. >So you are taking away money then you take if from my account. Nope. Your "account" has no physical reality. It's just numbers. [...] >The concept of theft only applies when something is taken away Thus, msking the numbers for your "account" smaller and the numbers for my "account" bigger isn't actually taking anything away from you. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 25 Oct 2009 18:39
sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Your problem is that you've invested time and effort to produce >something that >is devoid of commercial value. If it's devoid of value then you have no excuse or justification for making copies. So are you lying when you claim you have the right to copy it for your own benefit, or are you lying when you claim it has no value? -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |