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From: Pd on 26 Sep 2009 15:01
Martin S Taylor <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:

> hg wrote
> > the Arabic
> > Adjective used for the sea in the Quranic text which is cSLfQ" ",
> > pronounced "masjoor".
>
> Don't say you didn't learn something here.
>
> How does Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful pronounce "pwnage" ?

Wasn't there a mischievous pan-dimensional imp in the Superman comics
called something like Mr Mztlplxwyxz, and if Superman could get him to
say his own name backwards then he'd disappear back to his own
dimension?

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From: zoara on 26 Sep 2009 16:43
Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid> wrote:

> Wasn't there a mischievous pan-dimensional imp in the Superman comics
> called something like Mr Mztlplxwyxz, and if Superman could get him to
> say his own name backwards then he'd disappear back to his own
> dimension?

If I'd invented a plot device like that I'd struggle to resist calling
the character in question something like Elkunkuf or Spalfynaf.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Sep 2009 21:15
Martin S Taylor <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:

> hg wrote
> > the Arabic
> > Adjective used for the sea in the Quranic text which is cSLfQ" ",
> > pronounced "masjoor".
>
> Don't say you didn't learn something here.

I didn't, because the person giving that guide to pronunciation failed
to give any guide to the orthography he was using. `Masjoor' - straight
away, you've gotta ask questions about that suspicious-looking `j'; then
that `s'? `Maz' or `mass'? How's that to be handled? I can even come
up with multiple ways of tackling the `oor'.

> How does Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful pronounce "pwnage" ?

Al-llah (Arabic for `the god') doesn't pronounce anything even if you
accept that there is anything `real' in the idea, which I don't.
Al-llah is too weird and strange to do any speaking to anyone. You
should read up on it. No big beard in the sky concepts of `god' for
Islam, honest.

btw, Al-llah is older than Muhuammed's revelations - al-llah is the
traditional Arabic `nominally top god', and the sacred sites in and
around Mecca also pre-date Muhuhammed. So does the hajj. Muhummed just
nicked most of the existing elements of his culture's existing religion
when he was creating his new one - he smashed (quite literally in some
cases) the bits that didn't fit with his new ideas and re-worked the
bits he wanted to use for his new religion - for political reasons, the
Arabs needed a better religion, Muhummed saw Judaism and Christianity,
decided that Arabs needed something like that, and made up what he
though was needed out of parts he saw lying around.

The Abrahamic conception of `god' has nothing to do with compassion or
mercy. Muhuammed and Jesus both appear to have had a lot to do with
both[1] - but any time I read about the triple-headed JHVH/God/Al-llah
beast being `compassionate' or `merciful', I get quite cross.

Actually, I get quite cross about most aspects of most organized
religions - Methodists and Ba'hais and all the other decent `let's all
get along together' types excepted, that is (which includes Sikhism and
Buddhism when they're working properly). And I can't bring myself to
object to the Hari Krishnas even if they are ridiculous. Here, have
some free food and be happy! Yeah, orright, can't argue with that...

Rowland.

[1] I plead ignorance of Judaism. Strange - 'cos I knew more Jews than
Muslims when I was young, but I seem to have learnt more about Islam
over the years. I knew a lot of Hindus when I was young[2] and I've
learnt almost /nothing/ about that side of things.

[2] A corner of NW London that I gather is now the most religiously
diverse place in the country - and recently had a riot, which surely
cannot be possible...

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From: Ian Piper on 27 Sep 2009 10:25
On 2009-09-26 20:01:39 +0100, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:

> Martin S Taylor <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:
>
>> hg wrote
>>> the Arabic
>>> Adjective used for the sea in the Quranic text which is cSLfQ" ",
>>> pronounced "masjoor".
>>
>> Don't say you didn't learn something here.
>>
>> How does Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful pronounce "pwnage" ?
>
> Wasn't there a mischievous pan-dimensional imp in the Superman comics
> called something like Mr Mztlplxwyxz, and if Superman could get him to
> say his own name backwards then he'd disappear back to his own
> dimension?

Yes: Mr Mxyzptlk.

Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk


Ian.
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From: Ben Shimmin on 27 Sep 2009 12:21
Ian Piper <ianpiper(a)mac.com>:
> On 2009-09-26 20:01:39 +0100, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:
>> Wasn't there a mischievous pan-dimensional imp in the Superman comics
>> called something like Mr Mztlplxwyxz, and if Superman could get him to
>> say his own name backwards then he'd disappear back to his own
>> dimension?
>
> Yes: Mr Mxyzptlk.
>
> Wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk

It is somewhat typical of Wikipedia that the above page is longer
than the ones on, to pick two entirely at random, Odysseus or Thackeray.

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