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From: bill.sloman on 7 Dec 2008 19:04 On 7 dec, 18:56, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > bill.slo...(a)ieee.org wrote: > >On 7 dec, 09:25, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > >> d...(a)manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote: > > >> >In article <pan.2008.11.29.05.49.04.133...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>, Bill > >> >Ward wrote: > >> >>On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:35:59 -0800,bill.slomanwrote: > > >> >>> On 28 nov, 14:20, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>> z wrote: <snip> > >> If atmosphere radiates (the GHGs of it), in any direction, doesn't > >> that cool the part that radiates? > > >Sure. But not much - the greenhouse gases are also absorbing radiation > >from the greenhouse gases above and below them in the atmosphere > > Of course, but GHG radiation makes up pretty much the total > cooling of the atmosphere, doesn't it? Infrared radiation to outer space is what eventually cools the atmosphere. The greenhouse gases warm the bulk of the atmosphere by ensuring that wavelengths that they absorb and emit only get away to outer space from the upper reaches of the troposphere (for water vapour) and the stratosphere for carbon dioxide, methane and the rest of the non-condensing greenhouse gases where the air is cold - around -55C in the stratosphere and not a lot warmer at the top fo the troposphere. Conservation of energy ensures that the earth radiates as if it were at -14C, averaged over its blackbody emission spectrum. For wavelengths where the atmosphere is transparent the earth's surface radiates like a 15C black body, but at frequencies blocked by the greenhouse gases the radiation comes from altitudes where the temperature is down as low as -55C. > Notice this does not disagree with much of anything in GHG theory, > except one important thing, the atmosphere of Earth would be HOTTER > without _any_ GHGs. Which happens to be total nonsense. > That may seem trivial, or even nit-picking, but may suggest that > more CO2 could cause cooling instead of warming. Which is also total nonsense. > And the percussions of this if it holds true would be extreme. You mean repercussions - and you are right - we'd have to trash most of phsyics and most of the science based industries would grind to a halt because they'd be based on faulty science. Since it doesn't hold true - as you'd appreciate if you knew even a little about what you are talking about - your proposition is merely an ignorant fantasy. > But it is a catch-22, the catch-22 of all times, burn fossil fuel > to keep warm and we make the weather colder? But catch-22 made sense, and your proposition is fatuous nonsense. <snipped the rest - Whata Fool isn't going to get it> -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: bill.sloman on 7 Dec 2008 19:07 On 7 dec, 22:56, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > Q <q...(a)universe.com> wrote: > >Whata Fool wrote: > >> I would like to agree with GISS, but every error and other > >> embarrassment causes a loss of confidence. > > >There is no error in GISS, the only error is in the brains of those who > >deny anthropogenic global warming. AGW is real, get used to it. > > >Q > > Oh, it sure is, 20 degrees below normal, that is real "warming". As "Bill Ward" keeps reminding us, weather is chaotic, and your twenty degrees below normal is just a random excursion from the rising trend - 0.8C over a hundred years hasn't been all that noticeable. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Michael A. Terrell on 7 Dec 2008 19:29 Whata Fool wrote: > > Q <q(a)universe.com> wrote: > > >Whata Fool wrote: > >> I would like to agree with GISS, but every error and other > >> embarrassment causes a loss of confidence. > >> > > > >There is no error in GISS, the only error is in the brains of those who > >deny anthropogenic global warming. AGW is real, get used to it. > > > >Q > > Oh, it sure is, 20 degrees below normal, that is real "warming". The only thing that is warming, is the red necks of the AWG crowd, from their excessive arrogance. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white listed, or I will not see your messages. If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy.
From: bill.sloman on 7 Dec 2008 19:42 On 7 dec, 01:43, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > bill.slo...(a)ieee.org wrote: > >On 5 dec, 00:32, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > >> Bill Ward <bw...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >> >On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:41:45 -0800,bill.slomanwrote: > > >> >> On 4 dec, 06:14, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > >> >>> d...(a)manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote: > > >> >>> >In article <pan.2008.11.28.15.55.03.836...(a)REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>, > >> >>> >Bill Ward wrote: > >> >>> >>On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:26:40 -0800,bill.slomanwrote: > > >> >>> >>> On 27 nov, 23:02, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> bill.slo...(a)ieee.org  wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >On 27 nov, 02:59, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: > >> >>> >>>> >> "DeadFrog" <DeadF...(a)Virgin.net>  wrote: > > >> >>> >>>> >> >"Whata Fool" <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote in message > >> >>> >>>> >> >news:fdeni4p8pptdaacn58utfjlehk9jcbfmff(a)4ax.com... > >> >>> >>>> >> >> bill.slo...(a)ieee.org  wrote: > > >> >> <snip> > > ><snip> > > >> >You certainly don't sound like much of a scientist. > > >I'm not. I do have a couple of cited scientific papers to my credit, > >which does mean that I'm entitled to call myself a scientist, albeit > >strictly at the spear-carrier level. > > >Go to scholar.google.com and search on "A W Sloman". > > >> >> Granting your interests you need to spend any free time that you have > >> >> got learning about basic physics, and I - for - one would take it kindly > >> >> if you spent less time on posting questions to remind us that your > >> >> studies haven't yet got to first base. > > >> >Don't like to be forced to think, eh? Another strike. > > >> >Are you a political scientist? > > >> Maybe a layed off IPCC lackey? > > >Wrong. A retired electronic engineer - with no obvious prospect of > >getting unretired. > > Gosh Bill, there are lots of electronic devices needed, a lot to > do with changing to electric propulsion in cars, if a good shaft speed > synchronizer existed, the motor could be disengaged for coasting and an > improvement in mileage and range. > > Frankly the digital controls on a lot of devices are really bad, > but possibly that is because of the too simplistic icons instead of > words. > > You are too young to be spending a lot of time writing horoscopes > in newsgroups. "Horoscopes"? Kepler did calculate a lot of horoscopes - to do it right you do have to know where the plaents were when your customer was born, and back then astronomers were the only people equipped to do that. There have been comptuer programs that can print out horoscopes since 1971, and I could probably find one if I felt the need, whch I don't. I'm 66 and while I too consider this much too young to be reduced to correcting nonsense on a user group, there does seem to be a conspiracy of Dutch personnel officers to act as if they think differently. I've just applied for yet another job, but it's extremely unlikely that I'll get it. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Whata Fool on 7 Dec 2008 19:44
bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: >On 7 dec, 22:56, Whata Fool <wh...(a)fool.ami> wrote: >> Q <q...(a)universe.com> wrote: >> >Whata Fool wrote: >> >> I would like to agree with GISS, but every error and other >> >> embarrassment causes a loss of confidence. >> >> >There is no error in GISS, the only error is in the brains of those who >> >deny anthropogenic global warming. AGW is real, get used to it. >> >> >Q >> >> Oh, it sure is, 20 degrees below normal, that is real "warming". > >As "Bill Ward" keeps reminding us, weather is chaotic, and your twenty >degrees below normal is just a random excursion from the rising trend >- 0.8C over a hundred years hasn't been all that noticeable. And that should make me feel warm all over? With the record high here for this date being 70 F, and the record low here for this date being -6 F, that -.8 degrees C really makes a big difference. The only result is my heating bill for the day being about double the usual amount for this date. I can't afford Global Warming. |