From: Benj on
On Aug 1, 2:40 am, "|-|ercules" <radgray...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Go on!  CLICK ON THE IMAGE LINK!
>
> http://james-randi.com/the-god-delusion.png
>
> I swear it will change the way you see the world forever........

You bet.

1. there is no "God". God is dead. Man is evolved from animals. Man is
only an evolved animal. All animal development is determined by the
survival of the fittest. Hence might makes right.

2. There are no higher dimensions, unknown science or "miracles". such
things are fairy tales. There is NOTHING that exists after death
because these three dimensions are all that exists. Hence, live for
today. Take what you want by force. Or take what you want by
subterfuge and cunning. Animals use camouflage and so should you. Lies
and prevarication are just the human form of animal camouflage. Hence
all dishonesty creates winners and winners advance the species.

3. There is no morality or ethics. There are only "acts" not good or
bad acts. The only question is do your acts advance your self-
interests or the interests of others. Advancing your own self-
interests advances the species through natural selection. Hence if
someone opposes you, you kill them. If they have something you want,
you take it. If you like their mate you take that by force too. It's
science. It's the FACT of evolution!

4. Such ideas are called Social Darwinism and are accepted as true and
FACT by a large number of people many in positions of authority.
Remember that the next time some politician is pretending to tell you
the truth. Truth, honesty, integrity, morality and worst of all
freedom, are the weakness and downfall of a species. Following that
path can only lead to extinction for the animal. Joe Stalin represents
the highest development of Social Darwinism. If we emulate that great
man as closely as possible, I swear it will change the way you see the
world forever!

Personally I never turn my back on or trust a Social Darwinist.



From: pbamvv on
On 1 aug, 09:01, Benj <bjac...(a)iwaynet.net> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2:40 am, "|-|ercules" <radgray...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Go on!  CLICK ON THE IMAGE LINK!
>
> >http://james-randi.com/the-god-delusion.png
>
> > I swear it will change the way you see the world forever........
>
> You bet.
>
> 1. there is no "God". God is dead. Man is evolved from animals. Man is
> only an evolved animal. All animal development is determined by the
> survival of the fittest. Hence might makes right.

Well, that depends on what you consider to be might.
If there is an allmkghty god than that would mean that his might makes
right.
So in that case "Might makes right"can be easily understood.

However in the complex reality we live in, might is always shared.
We could - for instance- all but destroy species such as rice and
wheat,
but we (humans) would suffer greatly because of such stupidity.
Among each other the mightiest can often have is own way,
but a coalition of all the others would overcome any individual.

In fact in order to make our behaviour beneficial to group and thereby
enhancing the chances of survival of all the gens involved, we have
evolved, morals which are behaviorally linked to compassion. This
morals were not inivented by an allmighty ruler who's might was right,
but have evolved biologically very rapidly in order to be apllyable in
an ever more complex society.
>
> 2. There are no higher dimensions, unknown science or "miracles". such
> things are fairy tales. There is NOTHING that exists after death
> because these three dimensions are all that exists. Hence, live for
> today. Take what you want by force. Or take what you want by
> subterfuge and cunning. Animals use camouflage and so should you. Lies
> and prevarication are just the human form of animal camouflage. Hence
> all dishonesty creates winners and winners advance the species.

In reality we live in order to reproduce. Species that would only live
for personal pleasure would become extinct in no time at all. You
might examine nature more closely and find out that camouflage is
mainly used to decept other species, In fact when it comes to the
other gender of the same species, advertizing is more common. And the
announcement had better be true, or survival of the species is in
immediate danger. Natural selection would quikcy end the existence of
species where the individuals would only enlenghten there own life.
Many species (squids for instance) simply die after having spawned.
There life has become biologically useless.
Human beings and Elephants on the other hand have evolved important
functions for grandparents. Hence we get much older.

>
> 3. There is no morality or ethics. There are only "acts" not good or
> bad acts. The only question is do your acts advance your self-
> interests or the interests of others. Advancing your own self-
> interests advances the species through natural selection. Hence if
> someone opposes you, you kill them. If they have something you want,
> you take it. If you like their mate you take that by force too. It's
> science. It's the FACT of evolution!

No, there are! Self-interest is totally useless, the interest of your
offspring is all that matters.Tribes that do not kill amongst
themselves, do far better than those who reduce themselves to a single
male. Nations that have abandoned tribal warfare do much better than
those that exhaustef themselves in it. United states do better than
warlords.

The horns of many species are thus formed that the males van fight
without killing each other. Whether or not there is any mating is
decided by the heath of the female, not the drift of the male. You
apperantly live in a city and never watch National Geographics or
Animal Planet!

>
> 4. Such ideas are called Social Darwinism and are accepted as true and
> FACT by a large number of people many in positions of authority.
> Remember that the next time some politician is pretending to tell you
> the truth. Truth, honesty, integrity, morality and worst of all
> freedom, are the weakness and downfall of a species. Following that
> path can only lead to extinction for the animal. Joe Stalin represents
> the highest development of Social Darwinism. If we emulate that great
> man as closely as possible, I swear it will change the way you see the
> world forever!
>
> Personally I never turn my back on or trust a Social Darwinist.

Social Darwinism makes the same silly mistake you make.
It actually says preditors and parasites do well by kiiling those they
prey on,
where in fact, the predtor would starve without it's prey and the
parasite would do no better.
Then again it flat-out denies the fact that we are social animals of
one species only,'
and about nothing we posses would exists if we had no morals.
(in a society of thieves, there would be noone to make something worth
stealing)

The fact that Social Darwinsm has the words Social and Darwinism in
it, does not mean it supports Socialsom (indeed Capitalists have
supported it too), or that Darwin would have anything to do with it
(he hated it abou as much as you do).
Stalin ws not a Social Darwinist, he was a collectivist, which is
quite anothe vice.Indeed much more dangerous than any Social
Darwinist. Moreover he was a dictator addicted to power, and as many
junks, would kill in other to get his dose.

Hope I made it clear to you that morality is not dependent upon a
mighty bully dictating it
Cheer up!

Love,

Peter van Velzen,
July 2010
Amstelveen
The netherlands
From: Freedom Man on
"Benj" <bjacoby(a)iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:329d7d40-e886-42fe-aec7-9dcaad673ce3(a)r10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 1, 2:40 am, "|-|ercules" <radgray...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Go on! CLICK ON THE IMAGE LINK!
>
> http://james-randi.com/the-god-delusion.png
>
> I swear it will change the way you see the world forever........

You bet.

1. there is no "God". God is dead. Man is evolved from animals. Man is
only an evolved animal. All animal development is determined by the
survival of the fittest. Hence might makes right.
--
Not quite. Man has the ability to reason, to create the concepts of morality
and right and wrong. Thus INTELLIGENCE plus social values make "right," not
force alone.
--

2. There are no higher dimensions, unknown science or "miracles". such
things are fairy tales.
--
Some great physicists disagree with this, and not for reasons of belief or
religion. It appears that there ARE higher dimensions. Not all atheists are
have closed minds.
--

There is NOTHING that exists after death
because these three dimensions are all that exists. Hence, live for
today. Take what you want by force. Or take what you want by
subterfuge and cunning. Animals use camouflage and so should you. Lies
and prevarication are just the human form of animal camouflage. Hence
all dishonesty creates winners and winners advance the species.

3. There is no morality or ethics. There are only "acts" not good or
bad acts. The only question is do your acts advance your self-
interests or the interests of others. Advancing your own self-
interests advances the species through natural selection. Hence if
someone opposes you, you kill them. If they have something you want,
you take it. If you like their mate you take that by force too. It's
science. It's the FACT of evolution!

4. Such ideas are called Social Darwinism and are accepted as true and
FACT by a large number of people many in positions of authority.
Remember that the next time some politician is pretending to tell you
the truth. Truth, honesty, integrity, morality and worst of all
freedom, are the weakness and downfall of a species. Following that
path can only lead to extinction for the animal. Joe Stalin represents
the highest development of Social Darwinism. If we emulate that great
man as closely as possible, I swear it will change the way you see the
world forever!

Personally I never turn my back on or trust a Social Darwinist.

--
The above is certainly a rationale for fascism, and as such it is dangerous
to civilized society. If one does not believe in freedom or democracy, and
considers murder as a natural act, they should understand it when someday
someone considers them no better than Nazis and exterminates them.


From: |-|ercules on
"Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote...
> |-|ercules wrote:
>> Go on! CLICK ON THE IMAGE LINK!
>>
>> http://james-randi.com/the-god-delusion.png
>>
>> I swear it will change the way you see the world forever........
>>
>
> No need, I've read it. It certainly makes much more sense then the dubious
> scribblings of some superstitious desert dwellers about events none of them
> actually witnessed - with centuries of bias and revisionism thrown in for
> good measure coupled with the fact that there has never been nor ever will
> be evidence of a supernatural creator....

Trust me, take a look!

http://james-randi.com/the-god-delusion.png

This is serious 1 in million evidence of a supernatural creator.

Herc