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From: First on 8 Sep 2009 00:09
On Sep 6, 12:27 am, Uncle Ben <b...(a)greenba.com> wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:05 pm, First <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 2:28 am, wertos <wde2...(a)mobsters.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 4, 9:24 am, First <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 8:16 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...(a)cox.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear First:
>
> > > > > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:0a3d9d53-801b-4ddb-b7d5-81d359df5eca(a)m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > ...
>
> > > > > > Thank you so very much for this detailed
> > > > > > explanation. Is there a real example on earth
> > > > > > where we can actually see the tidal force
> > > > > > between two bodies OR can it be demonstrated
> > > > > > in a lab ?
>
> > > > > Measurements of G are performed quite often by two small bodies
> > > > > interacting in a lab.  Additonally, there was some laser
> > > > > experiments that were affected by the level of the river nearby
> > > > > the lab (I don't recall what they were looking for with the
> > > > > lasers, but it was not gravity effects).  Finally, there are a
> > > > > number of instruments that rely on local mass-density variations,
> > > > > so this is an instrument that interacts with small areas of
> > > > > Earth's crust.
>
> > > > > David A. Smith
>
> > > > Thanks David, can you suggest any book on this to study further ?
>
> > > what book !
> > > there is no more than that, you need a book !!??
>
> > > these people are crazy, who would event think
> > > sucha thing could happen this place, he need
> > > a book!
>
> > I really don't mean to bother you, but my question is quite simple. If
> > tiday force of moon can be used to extract energy as suggested by the
> > hydrolic system onhttp://www.geocities.com/newideasfromtelewise/tidalpowerplant.htm
> > that uses moon tidal force, why can't we use any other bigger object
> > thay may have more tidal force than that of moon ???
> > Please ignore if too busy...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The tidal effect varies as the inverse cube of distance from the
> earth, as well as the mass of the object.  There is no object for
> which M/cube(R) is greater than that of the moon.  If there were,
> sailors would have known about it for centuries.
>
> Uncle Ben

Thanks Uncle, that was quite encouraging.
From: First on 8 Sep 2009 00:10
On Sep 6, 12:48 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...(a)cox.net>
wrote:
> Dear First:
>
> "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:74b2af54-ae7d-4478-bdcc-3c5038b0e905(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 2:28 am, wertos <wde2...(a)mobsters.com> wrote:
> ....
>
> >> what book !
> >> there is no more than that, you need a book !!??
>
> >> these people are crazy, who would event think
> >> sucha thing could happen this place, he need
> >> a book!
> > I really don't mean to bother you,
>
> This person changes its name every so often, and hovers around
> here making annoying noises.  YOu neither need to apologize to
> it, nor pay it any heed.
>
> > but my question is quite simple. If tiday force of
> > moon can be used to extract energy as
> > suggested by the hydrolic system on
> >http://www.geocities.com/newideasfromtelewise/tidalpowerplant.htm
>
> Yes tidal generators are well known.
>
> > that uses moon tidal force, why can't we use
> > any other bigger object thay may have more
> > tidal force than that of moon ???
> > Please ignore if too busy...
>
> The energy comes from somewhere, and we turn it into waste heat.
> We don't have many bigger masses available, and we'd need to burn
> plenty of fossil fuels (directly or indirectly) to move them
> closer enough to do any good.  We need to learn to do more with
> less.
>
> David A Smith

Thanks for your worthy comments.
From: Androcles on 8 Sep 2009 02:09

"First" <watchitbut(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:095e82a8-8e8a-4102-a8fc-f42f26611a9b(a)12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 5, 9:14 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_n> wrote:
> "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:74b2af54-ae7d-4478-bdcc-3c5038b0e905(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 2:28 am, wertos <wde2...(a)mobsters.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 4, 9:24 am, First <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 4, 8:16 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...(a)cox.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Dear First:
>
> > > > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:0a3d9d53-801b-4ddb-b7d5-81d359df5eca(a)m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > > ...
>
> > > > > Thank you so very much for this detailed
> > > > > explanation. Is there a real example on earth
> > > > > where we can actually see the tidal force
> > > > > between two bodies OR can it be demonstrated
> > > > > in a lab ?
>
> > > > Measurements of G are performed quite often by two small bodies
> > > > interacting in a lab. Additonally, there was some laser
> > > > experiments that were affected by the level of the river nearby
> > > > the lab (I don't recall what they were looking for with the
> > > > lasers, but it was not gravity effects). Finally, there are a
> > > > number of instruments that rely on local mass-density variations,
> > > > so this is an instrument that interacts with small areas of
> > > > Earth's crust.
>
> > > > David A. Smith
>
> > > Thanks David, can you suggest any book on this to study further ?
>
> > what book !
> > there is no more than that, you need a book !!??
>
> > these people are crazy, who would event think
> > sucha thing could happen this place, he need
> > a book!
>
> I really don't mean to bother you, but my question is quite simple. If
> tiday force of moon can be used to extract energy as suggested by the
> hydrolic system
> onhttp://www.geocities.com/newideasfromtelewise/tidalpowerplant.htm
> that uses moon tidal force, why can't we use any other bigger object
> thay may have more tidal force than that of moon ???
> Please ignore if too busy...
>
> ======================================================
> I really do mean to bother you, but my answer is quite simple.
> Go ahead. Use a bigger object than the Moon.

Well Androcles, it seems i am speaking french. what i actually meant
was is there any object available on earth that we may use to generate
tidal force.
========================================================
I don't understand your French. The Sun also causes tides but not as
much the Moon. It's bigger but further away. Nothing on Earth does.
http://www.definity-systems.net/~apw/astro/images/spring_tides.gif




From: First on 8 Sep 2009 02:46
On Sep 8, 11:09 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_n> wrote:
> "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:095e82a8-8e8a-4102-a8fc-f42f26611a9b(a)12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 9:14 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_n> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:74b2af54-ae7d-4478-bdcc-3c5038b0e905(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 2:28 am, wertos <wde2...(a)mobsters.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 4, 9:24 am, First <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 8:16 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...(a)cox.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear First:
>
> > > > > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:0a3d9d53-801b-4ddb-b7d5-81d359df5eca(a)m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > ...
>
> > > > > > Thank you so very much for this detailed
> > > > > > explanation. Is there a real example on earth
> > > > > > where we can actually see the tidal force
> > > > > > between two bodies OR can it be demonstrated
> > > > > > in a lab ?
>
> > > > > Measurements of G are performed quite often by two small bodies
> > > > > interacting in a lab. Additonally, there was some laser
> > > > > experiments that were affected by the level of the river nearby
> > > > > the lab (I don't recall what they were looking for with the
> > > > > lasers, but it was not gravity effects). Finally, there are a
> > > > > number of instruments that rely on local mass-density variations,
> > > > > so this is an instrument that interacts with small areas of
> > > > > Earth's crust.
>
> > > > > David A. Smith
>
> > > > Thanks David, can you suggest any book on this to study further ?
>
> > > what book !
> > > there is no more than that, you need a book !!??
>
> > > these people are crazy, who would event think
> > > sucha thing could happen this place, he need
> > > a book!
>
> > I really don't mean to bother you, but my question is quite simple. If
> > tiday force of moon can be used to extract energy as suggested by the
> > hydrolic system
> > onhttp://www.geocities.com/newideasfromtelewise/tidalpowerplant.htm
> > that uses moon tidal force, why can't we use any other bigger object
> > thay may have more tidal force than that of moon ???
> > Please ignore if too busy...
>
> > ======================================================
> > I really do mean to bother you, but my answer is quite simple.
> > Go ahead. Use a bigger object than the Moon.
>
> Well Androcles, it seems i am speaking french. what i actually meant
> was is there any object available on earth that we may use to generate
> tidal force.
> ========================================================
> I don't understand your French. The Sun also causes tides but not as
> much the Moon. It's bigger but further away. Nothing on Earth does.
>  http://www.definity-systems.net/~apw/astro/images/spring_tides.gif

Dear Androcles, we are on the same side, it was just a communication
mistake perhaps.
Even I think that nothing on the earth can have more tidal force than
moon. Thanks for your patience.
From: Androcles on 8 Sep 2009 03:19

"First" <watchitbut(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5e3a9b6a-8684-4ba7-8c5c-0780385766e9(a)x38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 8, 11:09 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_n> wrote:
> "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:095e82a8-8e8a-4102-a8fc-f42f26611a9b(a)12g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 9:14 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_n> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:74b2af54-ae7d-4478-bdcc-3c5038b0e905(a)13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 2:28 am, wertos <wde2...(a)mobsters.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 4, 9:24 am, First <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 4, 8:16 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...(a)cox.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear First:
>
> > > > > "First" <watchit...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:0a3d9d53-801b-4ddb-b7d5-81d359df5eca(a)m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > ...
>
> > > > > > Thank you so very much for this detailed
> > > > > > explanation. Is there a real example on earth
> > > > > > where we can actually see the tidal force
> > > > > > between two bodies OR can it be demonstrated
> > > > > > in a lab ?
>
> > > > > Measurements of G are performed quite often by two small bodies
> > > > > interacting in a lab. Additonally, there was some laser
> > > > > experiments that were affected by the level of the river nearby
> > > > > the lab (I don't recall what they were looking for with the
> > > > > lasers, but it was not gravity effects). Finally, there are a
> > > > > number of instruments that rely on local mass-density variations,
> > > > > so this is an instrument that interacts with small areas of
> > > > > Earth's crust.
>
> > > > > David A. Smith
>
> > > > Thanks David, can you suggest any book on this to study further ?
>
> > > what book !
> > > there is no more than that, you need a book !!??
>
> > > these people are crazy, who would event think
> > > sucha thing could happen this place, he need
> > > a book!
>
> > I really don't mean to bother you, but my question is quite simple. If
> > tiday force of moon can be used to extract energy as suggested by the
> > hydrolic system
> > onhttp://www.geocities.com/newideasfromtelewise/tidalpowerplant.htm
> > that uses moon tidal force, why can't we use any other bigger object
> > thay may have more tidal force than that of moon ???
> > Please ignore if too busy...
>
> > ======================================================
> > I really do mean to bother you, but my answer is quite simple.
> > Go ahead. Use a bigger object than the Moon.
>
> Well Androcles, it seems i am speaking french. what i actually meant
> was is there any object available on earth that we may use to generate
> tidal force.
> ========================================================
> I don't understand your French. The Sun also causes tides but not as
> much the Moon. It's bigger but further away. Nothing on Earth does.
> http://www.definity-systems.net/~apw/astro/images/spring_tides.gif

Dear Androcles, we are on the same side, it was just a communication
mistake perhaps.
Even I think that nothing on the earth can have more tidal force than
moon. Thanks for your patience.
===============================================
I'm nobody's "Dear".



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