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From: Ashley Sheridan on 25 Mar 2010 06:59
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 08:28 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote:


> proper nettiquette is to put replies beneath the quotes you're
> replying to, and deleting the rest.
>
> ultimately this 'rule' of bottomposting is laziness of the ones who
> like that style of quoting.
> they want everyone to conform to their favorite method, so they can
> read more efficiently.

It's not laziness, it's netiquette. There are rules for this mailing
list, and following them helps everyone. You're blatantly ignoring the
rules in an 'I know best attitude again'.

>
> however, given that this is a tips-list, i'd like this bottom posting
> rule removed from the mailinglist rules.
> it's been used yesterday as a way to attack me on a second front
> during a heated debate about the future evolution of php

Not every person who disagrees with you is doing so out of spite to you.
There isn't a secret group of people with a vendetta against you, just
people trying to put their point of view across. The top-vs-bottom
posting isn't an issue that needs to be discussed though. It's been
in-place since the beginning of the list, and for the main, people
conform to it. It's the exceptions that cause problems and make the
threads harder to follow.

What gives you the right to demand it's changed? I've been posting to
the list for well over a year now, and even I wouldn't presume to start
changing rules just because I didn't like them or I was too lazy to
bother with them.


> Seriously, programmers who are not flexible enough to accept tips in a
> top _or_ bottom _or_ mixed format....
> It sounds really silly to me.

This list isn't just for programmers. It's for professionals and
beginners alike. Surely it makes sense to make the list as accessible as
possible for people?

Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk


From: David McGlone on 25 Mar 2010 07:58
> On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 08:28 +0200, Rene Veerman wrote:

>
> This list isn't just for programmers. It's for professionals and
> beginners alike. Surely it makes sense to make the list as accessible as
> possible for people?

I am somewhat still a beginner and signed up on this list about 5 days ago,
hoping I could get some valuable insight from it.

--
Blessings
David M.
I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that
I had nowhere else to go.
From: "Jay Blanchard" on 25 Mar 2010 08:12
[snip]
....like any good bottom poster should....
[/snip]

RTFA's, it has been discussed ad nauseum. Let's get back to PHP.

From: Lester Caine on 25 Mar 2010 09:48
Floyd Resler wrote:
> Absolutely top posting is the most efficient way of doing it! If I need to see what the thread is all about, I have no problems starting from the bottom and working my way up. It would be nice if everyone adopted top posting, though. Trying to read threads where postings are at the top and bottom makes it really difficult to follow!

So you claim, I find that it is most UNPRODUCTIVE!

But as we have already said - the RULE for this list is bottom posting since as
you rightly say mixing it up is making things even more unproductive. If you
must campain for a CHANGE to the rules please at least be courteous and follow
the rules until there IS a consensus to change that rule. But the current
consensus IS to stop debating it at all and leave the rule in place :)

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From: Floyd Resler on 25 Mar 2010 11:44

On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

> Floyd Resler wrote:
>> Absolutely top posting is the most efficient way of doing it! If I need to see what the thread is all about, I have no problems starting from the bottom and working my way up. It would be nice if everyone adopted top posting, though. Trying to read threads where postings are at the top and bottom makes it really difficult to follow!
>
> So you claim, I find that it is most UNPRODUCTIVE!
>
> But as we have already said - the RULE for this list is bottom posting since as you rightly say mixing it up is making things even more unproductive. If you must campain for a CHANGE to the rules please at least be courteous and follow the rules until there IS a consensus to change that rule. But the current consensus IS to stop debating it at all and leave the rule in place :)
>

Sounds good to me!

Take care,
Floyd

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