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From: William Elliot on 26 Jul 2010 06:45 On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Bill wrote: > Butch Malahide wrote: >> On Jul 26, 4:25 am, William Elliot >>> Let S be a space and p a point in S. >>> >>> What topology can S have if a function f:S -> S >>> is continuous iff f(p) = p? >>> Is the topology unique? >> >> Inasmuch as constant functions are continuous, p must be the only point >> in the space. Yes, the topology on a one-point space is unique. > > I think the OP means that f is the identity. I do not. I didn't say for all p. I picked a specific point p. > The case |S|=1 appears to be settled. Trivial. > What happens if |S|=2 (rhetorical)? It's not rhetorical! There's an unique example. Let S = {p,q} with the topology { nulset, {p}, S }. When S has more than two points, I find the topology isn't unique. Thus the refined puzzle. Does S have a unique T0 topology with the given property?
From: David Hartley on 26 Jul 2010 06:54 In message <i2jo2m0fo1(a)news6.newsguy.com>, Bill <Bill(a)NOSPAM.net> writes >Butch Malahide wrote: >> On Jul 26, 4:25 am, William Elliot<ma...(a)rdrop.remove.com> wrote: >>> Let S be a space and p a point in S. >>> >>> What topology can S have if a function f:S -> S >>> is continuous iff f(p) = p? >>> >>> Is the topology unique? >> >> Inasmuch as constant functions are continuous, p must be the only >> point in the space. Yes, the topology on a one-point space is unique. > >I think the OP means that f is the identity. The case |S|=1 appears to >be settled. What happens if |S|=2 (rhetorical)? Perhaps the OP meant f to be onto - i.e. the identity is the only continuous mapping of S onto itself. For any well-ordering on S, the set of initial segments provides such a topology. Any infinite S has many non-isomorphic well-orderings, so the topology is not unique. -- David Hartley
From: Bill on 26 Jul 2010 07:36 William Elliot wrote: >> What happens if |S|=2 (rhetorical)? > > It's not rhetorical! There's an unique example. Sorry, I only meant that I did not pose the question as one for myself, but instead in an effort to (try to) be helpful. You are evidently on the right track. Bill
From: Bill on 26 Jul 2010 07:41 William Elliot wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Bill wrote: >> Butch Malahide wrote: >>> On Jul 26, 4:25 am, William Elliot > >>>> Let S be a space and p a point in S. >>>> >>>> What topology can S have if a function f:S -> S >>>> is continuous iff f(p) = p? >>>> Is the topology unique? >>> >>> Inasmuch as constant functions are continuous, p must be the only >>> point in the space. Yes, the topology on a one-point space is unique. >> >> I think the OP means that f is the identity. > > I do not. I didn't say for all p. I picked a specific point p. > >> The case |S|=1 appears to be settled. > > Trivial. > >> What happens if |S|=2 (rhetorical)? > > It's not rhetorical! There's an unique example. > Let S = {p,q} with the topology { nulset, {p}, S }. > > When S has more than two points, I find the topology isn't unique. > > Thus the refined puzzle. > Does S have a unique T0 topology with the given property? > What happens if |S|=3? : )
From: José Carlos Santos on 26 Jul 2010 08:36 On 26-07-2010 11:31, William Elliot wrote: >>> Let S be a space and p a point in S. >>> >>> What topology can S have if a function f:S -> S >>> is continuous iff f(p) = p? >>> >>> Is the topology unique? >> >> Every constant function is continuous. So your condition means that S >> has no point other than p. >> > False. See my reply to Bill. No, it is not false. Suppose that your space has some other point _q_ besides _p_. The constant function _f_ which always takes the value _q_ is continuous, for whatever topology you take on S. But f(p) is different from _p_. Therefore, your condition cannot hold if there is some point in S different from _p_. Best regards, Jose Carlos Santos
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