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From: Tim Wescott on 5 Jul 2010 02:40
On 07/04/2010 10:36 PM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Tim Wescott<tim(a)seemywebsite.com> wrote:
>> On 07/03/2010 01:06 PM, PeterD wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:27:59 -0400, "Jon"<jon8338(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Build a Transfer Circuit for a 10 kw generator using the following parts:
>>>>
>>>> 1 Contactor:
>>>> *120vac coil
>>>> *2 N.O. 60amp contacts
>>>> *2 N.O. 15amp contacts
>>>> *2 N.C. 15amp contacts
>>>> 1 Relay:
>>>> *120vac coil
>>>> *3 N.C. 15amp contacts
>>>> 1 Relay:
>>>> *240vac coil
>>>> *1 N.O. 15amp coil
>>>> 1 Capacitor
>>>> *7.5UF, 370vac
>>>>
>>>> http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html
>>>>
>>>> I observe that you found my address on my web site and that you discovered I
>>>> post to other newsgroups. There's nothing wrong with that, not for me, not
>>>> for you. I've been building and testing this circuit as I go along. So far
>>>> so good. There's probably a few of you who understand how this circuit
>>>> works. The rest don't and are just taking pot shots at me as if they think
>>>> they know.
>>>
>>> Again, it doesn't meet any of the requirements for a transfer switch.
>>> None. You have no contacts between the load and the main power feed,
>>> which you MUST have.
>>>
>>> Why are you so clueless and stubborn about this? We've told you over
>>> and over what is required, but you insist on creating Rube Goldburg
>>> contraptions that at best might never work and mostly are likely to
>>> fail and kill someone.
>>>
>>> I'd strongly recommend you learn how a capacitor works in an AC
>>> circuit...
>>
>> Y'know, if it's a troll it's being remarkably effective.
>
> I doubt it's a troll, but I don't see why people keep cutting this project
> down- it's interesting to see it evolve.

With most projects you ask "who could it hurt?" and if the answer isn't
"no one" it's "the boob doing it".

But in this case you ask "who could it hurt?" and the answer is "some
power company line man -- and he'll be dead".

> The new capacitor is fascinating.

Fascinating or not, I'm not going to give this guy _any_ encouragement.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
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From: Tim Wescott on 5 Jul 2010 18:38
On 07/05/2010 02:10 PM, ehsjr wrote:
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Tim Wescott <tim(a)seemywebsite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/03/2010 01:06 PM, PeterD wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:27:59 -0400, "Jon"<jon8338(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Build a Transfer Circuit for a 10 kw generator using the following
>>>>> parts:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 Contactor:
>>>>> *120vac coil
>>>>> *2 N.O. 60amp contacts
>>>>> *2 N.O. 15amp contacts
>>>>> *2 N.C. 15amp contacts
>>>>> 1 Relay:
>>>>> *120vac coil
>>>>> *3 N.C. 15amp contacts
>>>>> 1 Relay:
>>>>> *240vac coil
>>>>> *1 N.O. 15amp coil
>>>>> 1 Capacitor
>>>>> *7.5UF, 370vac
>>>>>
>>>>> http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I observe that you found my address on my web site and that you
>>>>> discovered I
>>>>> post to other newsgroups. There's nothing wrong with that, not for
>>>>> me, not
>>>>> for you. I've been building and testing this circuit as I go along.
>>>>> So far
>>>>> so good. There's probably a few of you who understand how this circuit
>>>>> works. The rest don't and are just taking pot shots at me as if
>>>>> they think
>>>>> they know.
>>>>
>>>> Again, it doesn't meet any of the requirements for a transfer switch.
>>>> None. You have no contacts between the load and the main power feed,
>>>> which you MUST have.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you so clueless and stubborn about this? We've told you over
>>>> and over what is required, but you insist on creating Rube Goldburg
>>>> contraptions that at best might never work and mostly are likely to
>>>> fail and kill someone.
>>>>
>>>> I'd strongly recommend you learn how a capacitor works in an AC
>>>> circuit...
>>>
>>> Y'know, if it's a troll it's being remarkably effective.
>>
>>
>> I doubt it's a troll,
>
> It absolutely is a troll. He's been told, multiple times, by
> multiple people, that ONLY listed transfer equipment may be
> used for this. Anything else is illegal and unsafe.

Well, as I understand it trolling is a crime of intent; if the guy
really truly believes that what he's doing is a valid thing then it's
not a troll per se. Only if he's sitting at his computer, giggling to
himself about his absurdities being taken seriously, has he really
created a canonical troll.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
From: m II on 6 Jul 2010 00:51
Cydrome Leader wrote:

> I doubt it's a troll, but I don't see why people keep cutting this project
> down- it's interesting to see it evolve.
>
> The new capacitor is fascinating.
>

The circuit was designed by God. It has NO need of evolution.

mike



Found in soc.religion.quaker:

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http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

HA. I NAILED IT TO THE CROSS.

with parts I ALREADY HAVE and wires ALREADY IN PLACE.

I can't believe myself that I'm all that good.

Thank you God for designing the circuit for me. I am much obliged.
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