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From: JosephKK on 19 Apr 2010 08:42 On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:52:18 -0700, Jon Kirwan <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote: >On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:36:10 -0700, >"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:08:01 -0700, Jon Kirwan <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:22:11 -0700, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:50:25 -0700, Jon Kirwan <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:50:43 -0400, Spehro Pefhany >>>>><speffSNIP(a)interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:39:58 -0700, Jon Kirwan >><snip> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>>"China has begun requiring power companies to retire an older, more >>>>>>polluting power plant for each new one they build". >>>>> >>>>>All coal is bad. >>>> >>>>10000 points from Kirwan house for insanity and absolutism. >>> >>>All coal is not bad if we use it wisely and do so without >>>releasing more CO2 into the atmosphere and oceans. >> >>Better but still way too absolutist. It is very probably intractably >>expensive to use coal for anything without CO2 output. Try much harder. > >I think we will simply have to disagree about approaches, >then. I _do_ agree with you that it is very expensive, >currently, to sequester. H.R. 5575 is a "Moratorium on >Uncontrolled Power Plants Act." Not sure if that will ever >pass, but it might. We'll see. > >>>>>We have centuries of it left. And we >>>>>cannot afford to burn any significant part of that what >>>>>remains, clean or otherwise, unless emissions are thoroughly >>>>>sequestered. >>>> >>>>This is 10 years old: >>>>http://www.solarviews.com/cap/earth/earthlights.htm >>>>We need a new one. >>> >>>The pictures are indeed pretty. >> >>Hardly the point, it also is a, not too unreasonable, map of energy use density. > >Since you didn't state a point.... > >>>>For some real enlightenment compare it with all of the following: >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_population_density.svg >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_density_with_key.png >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_population_undernourished_world_map.PNG >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fertility_rate_world_map_2.png >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_growth_rate_world.PNG >>>>and noticeably useful >>>>http://geodata.grid.unep.ch/mod_map/map.php >>> >>>Point you are explicitly not making, being? >> >>There too many to list. Just the same, some ideas to use the data sources indicated >>to think about: >>Population statistics (of various kinds) versus energy usage by locale; >>Population statistics versus economic statistics by locale; >>Economic statistics versus energy usage by locale; >> >>See also Gini coefficients versus locale. >> >>Lots of things to learn, by studying these like i (still) do. But maybe you think your >>plate is too full already. > >If I had a solid idea where you were leading, I might dig. >Since there are so many points you wanted to make that you >cannot make even one, I'm not sure where to go right now and >since I _do_ have lots of things keeping me busy I will just >have to let go of what points even you don't feel _you_ have >time to make. > >There is a limit, you know. > >Jon There is a single underlying theme; politics, economics, and general prosperity of productive people, by locale. That is why i want timeline comparisons.
From: Jon Kirwan on 19 Apr 2010 22:14
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 05:42:18 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:52:18 -0700, Jon Kirwan <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> >wrote: >><snippage> >>If I had a solid idea where you were leading, I might dig. >>Since there are so many points you wanted to make that you >>cannot make even one, I'm not sure where to go right now and >>since I _do_ have lots of things keeping me busy I will just >>have to let go of what points even you don't feel _you_ have >>time to make. >> >>There is a limit, you know. >> >>Jon > >There is a single underlying theme; politics, economics, and general >prosperity of productive people, by locale. That is why i want timeline >comparisons. I will continue to wait, I suppose. I cannot read minds nor crawl into yours. When you get a moment, walk me through your thoughts and I'll see how it reverberates here. Jon |