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From: Arny Krueger on 26 Jan 2010 07:32 Over on PSW I've seen mention of this product: http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/products_sac.htm RML Labs Software Audio Console Anybody ever actually use one? As the story goes, buy this $500 software package, add audio interfaces to suit, and you have up to 72 inputs and outputs. Here's a proposed budget (in rounded numbers) for a 32 x 32 console: $500 for PC or laptop. $1000 for RME interface with 4 x ADAT I/O pairs $1000 4 x ADA 8000 ( 8 mic/line in, 8 line out each) $500 for control surface(s) ----------------------------------- $3000 total cost for the functional equivalent or superior of a LS9-32 which runs about 3x street price. The options for EFX seem to be limitless: "The DirectX and VST protocols are seamlessly woven into the engine design, with all plug-ins of all types showing in one common effects choice window. With the current availability of numerous DirectX and VST plug-ins to choose from, you can begin FX processing immediately without waiting for future development." One of the alleged benefits of the software is that you can have up to 25 separate monitor mixes with no more hardware. Obviously, the outputs are there for running some very complex monitoring setups. "All 25 consoles are 72 input, 24 stereo output consoles with built-in attenuator, phase reverse, swap LR, mono, high quality mastering 5 band para-graphic Eqs with Hi and Lo cut filters, keying gates and compressors with a bandpass filter, 6 stereo aux sendswith pan, pre and post FX patches, full 8 point surround XY panners plus a separate center and sub send, 24 stereo out assigns, mute, solo and long throw faders with -60db high resolution meters on each input channel"
From: Denny Strauser on 26 Jan 2010 14:11 Arny Krueger wrote: > Over on PSW I've seen mention of this product: > > http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/products_sac.htm > > RML Labs Software Audio Console > > Anybody ever actually use one? > > As the story goes, buy this $500 software package, add audio interfaces to > suit, and you have up to 72 inputs and outputs. > > Here's a proposed budget (in rounded numbers) for a 32 x 32 console: > > $500 for PC or laptop. > $1000 for RME interface with 4 x ADAT I/O pairs > $1000 4 x ADA 8000 ( 8 mic/line in, 8 line out each) > $500 for control surface(s) > ----------------------------------- > $3000 total cost for the functional equivalent or superior of a LS9-32 which > runs about 3x street price. > > The options for EFX seem to be limitless: > > "The DirectX and VST protocols are seamlessly woven into the engine design, > with all plug-ins of all types showing in one common effects choice window. > With the current availability of numerous DirectX and VST plug-ins to choose > from, you can begin FX processing immediately without waiting for future > development." > > One of the alleged benefits of the software is that you can have up to 25 > separate monitor mixes with no more hardware. Obviously, the outputs are > there for running some very complex monitoring setups. > > "All 25 consoles are 72 input, 24 stereo output consoles with built-in > attenuator, phase reverse, swap LR, mono, high quality mastering 5 band > para-graphic Eqs with Hi and Lo cut filters, keying gates and compressors > with a bandpass filter, 6 stereo aux sendswith pan, pre and post FX patches, > full 8 point surround XY panners plus a separate center and sub send, 24 > stereo out assigns, mute, solo and long throw faders with -60db high > resolution meters on each input channel" It looks very interesting. I used the SAW Studio software on tour with Stars On Ice. The software has auto mix capabilities, which is great if the show is predictable. It works much like Pro Tools or Nuendo. The only complaint I see with the SAC system is lack of real faders & knobs. This is the same complaint I have with digital consoles, but digital consoles have enough to do what I need fairly easily. With the SAC, there are only 8 faders, 8 knobs & 10 buttond. One would have to navigate an enormous amount of pages to do an on-the-fly mix. If the MIDI work surface had more "real" controls, it would sell me on the idea. But, then again, it would likely cost as much as a digital console. I'll have to read the manuals to get a better understanding of the SAC system, and I will. Very interesting. - Denny
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 26 Jan 2010 14:42 "Denny Strauser" <dsdennysound(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:hjnepv$ecu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Arny Krueger wrote: >> Over on PSW I've seen mention of this product: >> >> http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/products_sac.htm >> >> RML Labs Software Audio Console >> >> Anybody ever actually use one? >> >> As the story goes, buy this $500 software package, add audio interfaces >> to suit, and you have up to 72 inputs and outputs. >> >> Here's a proposed budget (in rounded numbers) for a 32 x 32 console: >> >> $500 for PC or laptop. >> $1000 for RME interface with 4 x ADAT I/O pairs >> $1000 4 x ADA 8000 ( 8 mic/line in, 8 line out each) >> $500 for control surface(s) >> ----------------------------------- >> $3000 total cost for the functional equivalent or superior of a LS9-32 >> which runs about 3x street price. >> >> The options for EFX seem to be limitless: >> >> "The DirectX and VST protocols are seamlessly woven into the engine >> design, with all plug-ins of all types showing in one common effects >> choice window. With the current availability of numerous DirectX and VST >> plug-ins to choose from, you can begin FX processing immediately without >> waiting for future development." >> >> One of the alleged benefits of the software is that you can have up to 25 >> separate monitor mixes with no more hardware. Obviously, the outputs are >> there for running some very complex monitoring setups. >> >> "All 25 consoles are 72 input, 24 stereo output consoles with built-in >> attenuator, phase reverse, swap LR, mono, high quality mastering 5 band >> para-graphic Eqs with Hi and Lo cut filters, keying gates and compressors >> with a bandpass filter, 6 stereo aux sendswith pan, pre and post FX >> patches, full 8 point surround XY panners plus a separate center and sub >> send, 24 stereo out assigns, mute, solo and long throw faders with -60db >> high resolution meters on each input channel" > > It looks very interesting. I used the SAW Studio software on tour with > Stars On Ice. The software has auto mix capabilities, which is great if > the show is predictable. It works much like Pro Tools or Nuendo. > > The only complaint I see with the SAC system is lack of real faders & > knobs. This is the same complaint I have with digital consoles, but > digital consoles have enough to do what I need fairly easily. With the > SAC, there are only 8 faders, 8 knobs & 10 buttond. One would have to > navigate an enormous amount of pages to do an on-the-fly mix. > > If the MIDI work surface had more "real" controls, it would sell me on the > idea. But, then again, it would likely cost as much as a digital console. > > I'll have to read the manuals to get a better understanding of the SAC > system, and I will. Very interesting. > > - Denny I could see it for a instal or maybe some private system owned and opeated by the same techs, like at a meusum ,churchor art gallery, no way on gods green earth would you ever hand this off to a guest engineer, or even attempt to do battle on the pro live sound arena with this George
From: Phildo on 26 Jan 2010 22:00 "Arny Krueger" <arnyk(a)hotpop.com> wrote in message news:jZedndh0z-55fcPWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Over on PSW I've seen mention of this product: They still haven't banned you again then. Pity you can't behave yourself over here the way you do on there. > http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/products_sac.htm > $3000 total cost for the functional equivalent or superior of a LS9-32 > which runs about 3x street price. OK for conferences and gigs where the desk is set-and-forget but there is no way you could mix properly on something like that. No knobs, no faders, lots of menus to scroll though to get anything done, it just wouldn't cut it for live use. Phildo
From: Arny Krueger on 27 Jan 2010 07:07 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:hjoa8b$okf$1(a)news.eternal-september.org > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk(a)hotpop.com> wrote in message > news:jZedndh0z-55fcPWnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> Over on PSW I've seen mention of this product: > > They still haven't banned you again then. Pity you can't > behave yourself over here the way you do on there. > >> http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com/products_sac.htm >> $3000 total cost for the functional equivalent or >> superior of a LS9-32 which runs about 3x street price. > OK for conferences and gigs where the desk is > set-and-forget but there is no way you could mix properly > on something like that. No knobs, no faders, lots of > menus to scroll though to get anything done, it just > wouldn't cut it for live use. http://www.sweetwater.com/c808--Mixing_Control_Surfaces
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