From: tedd on 30 Apr 2010 13:52 At 10:34 AM -0400 4/30/10, Paul M Foster wrote: >On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 05:34:38PM -0400, tedd wrote: > > > Please critically review my example. > >+1 > >This thread came up before, and tedd's solution was the least complex, >as far as I could tell. I shamelessly stole his code and regularly use >it in my own projects. ;-} > >Paul Paul: Thanks for the plug. All the code I provide on this list and on my various web sites is for free for anyone, except for "governments" (i.e., local, state, federal, other), to use, review, and/or comment as they wish without any obligation to me. Oh, as for "governments" if you want a copy of anything please contact me directly, I have a few forms for you to fill out. The point of sharing is to improve product -- agile works. My livelihood is not compromised because someone is using a small snip-it of mine. Hopefully my real code (the stuff I sell to clients) is more involved and has more value than that. Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com
From: tedd on 30 Apr 2010 13:59 At 4:37 PM +0200 4/30/10, Jay Ess wrote: >Paul M Foster wrote: >>+1 >> >>This thread came up before, and tedd's solution was the least complex, >>as far as I could tell. I shamelessly stole his code and regularly use >>it in my own projects. ;-} >> >Or if one choose to use Smarty template. ><tr bgcolor="{cycle values="#eeeeee,#d0d0d0"}"> > >http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php Yeah, like that keeps presentation separate from data while making things simpler, right? I don't think so. Embedding styling attributes in html is simply not following "best practices". For example, if you have 100 pages of the above embedded code and the client says "Hey, let's change the color of that table" -- then you are going to have to change 100 pages of code whereas if you followed "best practices" then you would change only one rule in css. Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com
From: Ashley Sheridan on 30 Apr 2010 14:26 On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 13:59 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 4:37 PM +0200 4/30/10, Jay Ess wrote: > >Paul M Foster wrote: > >>+1 > >> > >>This thread came up before, and tedd's solution was the least complex, > >>as far as I could tell. I shamelessly stole his code and regularly use > >>it in my own projects. ;-} > >> > >Or if one choose to use Smarty template. > ><tr bgcolor="{cycle values="#eeeeee,#d0d0d0"}"> > > > >http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php > > Yeah, like that keeps presentation separate from data while making > things simpler, right? I don't think so. > > Embedding styling attributes in html is simply not following "best practices". > > For example, if you have 100 pages of the above embedded code and the > client says "Hey, let's change the color of that table" -- then you > are going to have to change 100 pages of code whereas if you followed > "best practices" then you would change only one rule in css. > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > ------- > http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com > I agree. Inline styles are useful in a few fringe cases, but if you can avoid them then it's best practice to do so. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
From: tedd on 30 Apr 2010 15:59 At 7:26 PM +0100 4/30/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: >>On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 13:59 -0400, tedd wrote: >>At 4:37 PM +0200 4/30/10, Jay Ess wrote: >>>Paul M Foster wrote: >>>>+1 >>>> >>>>This thread came up before, and tedd's solution was the least complex, >>>>as far as I could tell. I shamelessly stole his code and regularly use >>>>it in my own projects. ;-} >>>> >>>Or if one choose to use Smarty template. >>><tr bgcolor="{cycle values="#eeeeee,#d0d0d0"}"> >>> >>><http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php>http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php >> >>Yeah, like that keeps presentation separate from data while making >>things simpler, right? I don't think so. >> >>Embedding styling attributes in html is simply not following "best >>practices". >> >>For example, if you have 100 pages of the above embedded code and the >>client says "Hey, let's change the color of that table" -- then you >>are going to have to change 100 pages of code whereas if you followed >>"best practices" then you would change only one rule in css. >> >>Cheers, >> >>tedd >I agree. Inline styles are useful in a few fringe cases, but if you >can avoid them then it's best practice to do so. > >Thanks, >Ash ><http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk>http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk Ash: The only "fringe" cases I can think of are those that could be solved by using a <span> tag. Do you have any examples otherwise? Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com
From: Ashley Sheridan on 30 Apr 2010 18:33
On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 15:59 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 7:26 PM +0100 4/30/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >>On Fri, 2010-04-30 at 13:59 -0400, tedd wrote: > >>At 4:37 PM +0200 4/30/10, Jay Ess wrote: > >>>Paul M Foster wrote: > >>>>+1 > >>>> > >>>>This thread came up before, and tedd's solution was the least complex, > >>>>as far as I could tell. I shamelessly stole his code and regularly use > >>>>it in my own projects. ;-} > >>>> > >>>Or if one choose to use Smarty template. > >>><tr bgcolor="{cycle values="#eeeeee,#d0d0d0"}"> > >>> > >>><http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php>http://www.smarty.net/manual/en/language.function.cycle.php > >> > >>Yeah, like that keeps presentation separate from data while making > >>things simpler, right? I don't think so. > >> > >>Embedding styling attributes in html is simply not following "best > >>practices". > >> > >>For example, if you have 100 pages of the above embedded code and the > >>client says "Hey, let's change the color of that table" -- then you > >>are going to have to change 100 pages of code whereas if you followed > >>"best practices" then you would change only one rule in css. > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>tedd > > >I agree. Inline styles are useful in a few fringe cases, but if you > >can avoid them then it's best practice to do so. > > > >Thanks, > >Ash > ><http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk>http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk > > Ash: > > The only "fringe" cases I can think of are those that could be solved > by using a <span> tag. > > Do you have any examples otherwise? > > Cheers, > > tedd I can't think of any right now, but I know that on occassion I've used inline styles where I know that the style will never be repeated and was a one-off style to just perform a quick fix. I know it's a messy thing to do, but I'm sure there must be a good reason for them somewhere! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk |