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From: Richard Steinfeld on 4 Nov 2009 23:56
Yrrah wrote:
> KeyNote NF is a TreePad alternative. It can import and export TreePad
> Lite files.

I've been playing with two versions of TreePad, including this one.

The program's virtually useless for printing; the print mode is
riddled with frustrating usability bugs and still needs much
work. I was unable to get the program to obey formatting settings
(including its default) or to retain them. Printing was right at
the edge of the paper and that was that.

There is, however, a recommended workaround with the new version:
export the file, etc., to a decent rich-text word program.

TreePad Lite does send decent output to the printer. However,
there's one important difference between KeyNote and TreePad:
KeyNote deals in the Rich Text format, TreePad uses plain text.

KeyNote's formatting ability (which includes fonts, sizing,
color, etc.) is seductive. It grew on me very quickly, which made
its stark print problems so frustrating!

KeyNote both imports and exports in a useful range of formats,
including TreePad's. Thoughtful!

KeeNote's even got a spell checker. TreePad doesn't. I
experienced a work-file directory problem with TreePad, which
became unable to retrieve its own help file when I reset the
default work file directory to my preferred partition.

If you're a screen-only junkie, this looks like a serious tool
indeed.

Richard
From: Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=32B) on 5 Nov 2009 02:10
> KeeNote's even got a spell checker. TreePad doesn't. I experienced a
> work-file directory problem with TreePad, which became unable to
> retrieve its own help file when I reset the default work file directory
> to my preferred partition.

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From: Richard Steinfeld on 5 Nov 2009 17:04
Yrrah wrote:
> Richard Steinfeld <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS(a)sonicANDTHISTOO.net>:
>
>>> KeyNote NF is a TreePad alternative. It can import and export TreePad
>>> Lite files.
>
>> I've been playing with two versions of TreePad, including this one.

Ach!
I made a boo-boo: I reversed the program names in this statement.
I was playing with two versions of _KeyNote_. I'm also trying
TreePad.

>
> KeyNote NF is a version of TreePad in your opinion?
>

No. It's an outgrowth from it. In fact, the original programmer
said that it was his inspiration.

>> The program's virtually useless for printing; the print mode is
>
> Where is KeyNote's "print mode"? ;-)

CTRL Shift P.

> These programs are for information storage and retrieval. Paper is for
> living fossils ;-)
>
> Seriously, if I want to print an article, which is rarely the case, I
> copy and paste it (Textmaker).
>

Hmmm. What's "Textmaker?" Where is it got?
There are a number of tasks for which a printout makes more sense
than working with a monitor. I do a lot of printing. My
comprehension rate is higher with paper than screens. For
editing, paper blows away screen work.

>> KeyNote both imports and exports in a useful range of formats,
>> including TreePad's. Thoughtful!
>
> That's a requirement afaiac.
>

Absolutely. This is especially important when it comes to trying
out software. Being able to get your data back out of it is more
important than putting it in.

>> KeeNote's even got a spell checker.
>
> Does it work?
>

Yes. It does. It's got an unusual confirmation step, but it works
nicely; civilized.

> My main reasons for using KeyNote are the TreePad export/import and
> tabbed interface features. I don't need RTF formatting, printing,
> spell check etc. in this type of program. I like TreePad because it's
> lean yet versatile, has an uncluttered GUI and has an excellent search
> function.
>

Agreed, although I haven't tried the search function.
As soon as I installed KeyNote, I tried it for brainstorming a
concept. It worked very nicely for me. Probably both of these
programs are equally good for this. Of course, KeyNote has the
ability to handle formatting, which means it's easier to apply
emphasis to text than _this way._ Having done a bit of radio
work, it's obvious to me that ASCII came from teletype. Pen and
paper beat ASCII for, let's say, writing a novel.

I find that when I work with text in _any_ form, I like to be
able to play with it, move it in and out, send it off to someone,
paste it into something. Documenting software is this way for me.
So, I need to consider what my personal standard will be for
this. Will my standard be ASCII or will it be Rich Text?

KeyNote was put out to pasture by its original programmer. It was
picked up by a new guy who seems quite dedicated. So, it's
obviously in a transition phase right now. He's put up a
development site in the Google programming sphere. Try as I
might, I was not able to insert anything into the site's BBS (I
wonder if it's locked down against submissions; It kept telling
me over and over again to log in and wouldn't accept my logon.
(I've got a thing about Google, too, but that's another matter).

I gave up after more than an hour of frustration. Maybe you'll
have better luck. I was trying to point out that the print mode
needs margin settings that work and print settings that will be
retained. Also, some sensible header/footer ability. Nothing
fancier than that. So, at this point, I don't know how to reach
the honcho.

I take a lot of notes when working and zip stuff in and out of
text. NoteTabs has been really useful. Hell; it's around 10 years
abandoned. At this point in my life, I'm finally wondering if
it's worth continuing with plain text or throwing in the towel
and doing like the Romans: send email in Rich Text/HTML.

Richard
From: Recluseman35 on 6 Nov 2009 07:08
Yrrah <Yrrah_acf(a)secret.cult.invalid> wrote in
news:v6j6f5l3o9hfn707gu69prbuj9t4lniqem(a)net.com:

> I don't see any dictionaries in the downloaded KeyNote zip package.
> There is a 'Check spelling' in the 'Note' menu, but nothing happens
> when I click on it.

Keynote uses the MS Word spellchecker, if you have it installed.
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