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From: Guido Falsi on 7 May 2010 09:44
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:20:55PM +0200, Ren Ladan wrote:
> 2010/5/7 Robert Huff <roberthuff(a)rcn.com>:
> >
> > � � � �Is there one? �I've been checking daily, and ... nothing.
> > (Various sited, including just now "cvsup.freebsd.org:.)
> >
> >
> No, there is indeed none for now.
>
> If you use portmaster you can just run 'portmaster -af' or follow the
> instructions near the end of its manual page (before Doug Barton
> goes correcting me ;) )

Why are you using "-af" forcing eqach and every port to be updated? I've
just done it with "portmaster -a" and weverything just works(I was
surprised too).

Am I missing some important point which will look obvious tyo everyone
reading this email? :)

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From: Freddie Cash on 7 May 2010 11:55
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Guido Falsi <mad(a)madpilot.net> wrote:

> On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:20:55PM +0200, Ren Ladan wrote:
> > 2010/5/7 Robert Huff <roberthuff(a)rcn.com>:
> > >
> > > Is there one? I've been checking daily, and ... nothing.
> > > (Various sited, including just now "cvsup.freebsd.org:.)
> > >
> > >
> > No, there is indeed none for now.
> >
> > If you use portmaster you can just run 'portmaster -af' or follow the
> > instructions near the end of its manual page (before Doug Barton
> > goes correcting me ;) )
>
> Why are you using "-af" forcing eqach and every port to be updated? I've
> just done it with "portmaster -a" and weverything just works(I was
> surprised too).
>
> Am I missing some important point which will look obvious tyo everyone
> reading this email? :)
>
> What would have been nice is a note that the default background for the
bare X server was changed from the nice grey/black checkerboard to solid
black.

The portmaster update of X completed successfully. Starting X by itself (X
-config /etc/X11/xorg.conf) gave a black screen, like it had crashed. Tried
"X -configure" and "X -config ./xorg.conf.new". Same thing. Tried a couple
of different xorg.conf files, tried without a config file. All gave black
screens, similar to a crash of the X server or a driver bug.

Deleted every port on the system and did a clean install of just xorg. Same
thing, black screen. On a whim, I tried "xinit /usr/local/bin/xterm" ...
.... ... and saw a black screen with a tiny xterm in the corner. Great ...
so things were working from the get go.

So, after 2 days of compiling, I have a barebone KDE4 desktop running on
Xorg 7.5, with at least another 2 days of compiling before things are back
to where they were originally. :(

At least that should be noted in UPDATING.

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From: Guido Falsi on 7 May 2010 12:00
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 08:55:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Guido Falsi <mad(a)madpilot.net> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 02:20:55PM +0200, Ren Ladan wrote:
> > > 2010/5/7 Robert Huff <roberthuff(a)rcn.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Is there one? I've been checking daily, and ... nothing.
> > > > (Various sited, including just now "cvsup.freebsd.org:.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > No, there is indeed none for now.
> > >
> > > If you use portmaster you can just run 'portmaster -af' or follow the
> > > instructions near the end of its manual page (before Doug Barton
> > > goes correcting me ;) )
> >
> > Why are you using "-af" forcing eqach and every port to be updated? I've
> > just done it with "portmaster -a" and weverything just works(I was
> > surprised too).
> >
> > Am I missing some important point which will look obvious tyo everyone
> > reading this email? :)
> >
> > What would have been nice is a note that the default background for the
> bare X server was changed from the nice grey/black checkerboard to solid
> black.
>
> The portmaster update of X completed successfully. Starting X by itself (X
> -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf) gave a black screen, like it had crashed. Tried
> "X -configure" and "X -config ./xorg.conf.new". Same thing. Tried a couple
> of different xorg.conf files, tried without a config file. All gave black
> screens, similar to a crash of the X server or a driver bug.
>
> Deleted every port on the system and did a clean install of just xorg. Same
> thing, black screen. On a whim, I tried "xinit /usr/local/bin/xterm" ...
> ... ... and saw a black screen with a tiny xterm in the corner. Great ...
> so things were working from the get go.
>
> So, after 2 days of compiling, I have a barebone KDE4 desktop running on
> Xorg 7.5, with at least another 2 days of compiling before things are back
> to where they were originally. :(
>
> At least that should be noted in UPDATING.

That bit me a while ago too. This isn't new to Xorg 7.5. 7.4 did that
too AFAIK.

Anyway this is Xorg's fault, FreeBSD ports just usually follow upstream
default policies.

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From: Freddie Cash on 7 May 2010 12:03
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Guido Falsi <mad(a)madpilot.net> wrote:

> On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 08:55:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
> > What would have been nice is a note that the default background for the
> > bare X server was changed from the nice grey/black checkerboard to solid
> > black.
> >
> > The portmaster update of X completed successfully. Starting X by itself
> (X
> > -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf) gave a black screen, like it had crashed.
> Tried
> > "X -configure" and "X -config ./xorg.conf.new". Same thing. Tried a
> couple
> > of different xorg.conf files, tried without a config file. All gave
> black
> > screens, similar to a crash of the X server or a driver bug.
> >
> > Deleted every port on the system and did a clean install of just xorg.
> Same
> > thing, black screen. On a whim, I tried "xinit /usr/local/bin/xterm"
> ...
> > ... ... and saw a black screen with a tiny xterm in the corner. Great
> ...
> > so things were working from the get go.
> >
> > So, after 2 days of compiling, I have a barebone KDE4 desktop running on
> > Xorg 7.5, with at least another 2 days of compiling before things are
> back
> > to where they were originally. :(
> >
> > At least that should be noted in UPDATING.
>
> That bit me a while ago too. This isn't new to Xorg 7.5. 7.4 did that
> too AFAIK.
>
> I don't remember this being an issue for the 7.4 update, I remember the
checkerboard pattern. But that may have been pre-7.4. I just know that
this is the first time it's not been the checkerboard pattern.


> Anyway this is Xorg's fault, FreeBSD ports just usually follow upstream
> default policies.
>
> Never said it was FreeBSD's fault, or the Xorg port maintainer's fault.
Just that it was a major change in expected behaviour, and could use a note
in UPDATING.

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From: Doug Barton on 7 May 2010 12:49
On 05/07/10 05:20, Ren� Ladan wrote:
> 2010/5/7 Robert Huff <roberthuff(a)rcn.com>:
>>
>> Is there one? I've been checking daily, and ... nothing.
>> (Various sited, including just now "cvsup.freebsd.org:.)
>>
>>
> No, there is indeed none for now.
>
> If you use portmaster you can just run 'portmaster -af' or follow the
> instructions near the end of its manual page (before Doug Barton
> goes correcting me ;) )

Well since you asked ... :) The -f is not necessary there, -a is
sufficient. In fact if you wanted to do things more incrementally
'portmaster -D xorg' would be another way to go.

In any case, it brings me a great deal of joy to hear not only that so
many people are using portmaster, but also that these upgrades are going
smoothly, as did mine. I think the x11@ guys deserve a round of applause
for making this the least painful "X major version upgrade" in recent
memory.


Doug

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