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From: koonaone on 25 Mar 2010 21:45
Hi Folks

I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.

I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.

If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
group here, congrats.

yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
functionality not found anywhere else.
From: koonaone on 26 Mar 2010 00:39
OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1477&page=4
and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming

douglas

koonaone wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
> 98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
> the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.
>
> Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
> sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
> intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
> awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
> system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.
>
> I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
> around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
> way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
> applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
> properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.
>
> My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
> compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.
>
> It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
> to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
> skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.
>
> If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
> very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
> group here, congrats.
>
> yours
>
> douglas
>
> ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
> functionality not found anywhere else.
From: DL on 26 Mar 2010 11:30
If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about* trying
to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways

You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled junk
that comes with your new PC

"koonaone" <koonaone(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a0a762f-9396-4fd9-aae3-3b063abeb233(a)v34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> OK I'm on page 4 of:
> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1477&page=4
> and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming
>
> douglas
>
> koonaone wrote:
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
>> 98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
>> the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.
>>
>> Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
>> sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is
>> intimidating. They run efficiently and quickly, though there's an
>> awful lot of spam popups I'm going to have to get rid of. Automatic
>> system, antivir, google desk, updates mostly.
>>
>> I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
>> around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn
>> way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
>> applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
>> properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.
>>
>> My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
>> compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.
>>
>> It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
>> to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
>> skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.
>>
>> If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
>> very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
>> group here, congrats.
>>
>> yours
>>
>> douglas
>>
>> ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
>> functionality not found anywhere else.

From: J. P. Gilliver (John) on 27 Mar 2010 09:52
In message <#qSe8kPzKHA.4156(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, DL
<invalid(a)nowhere.com> writes:
>If you are a DOS / Win98 experienced user, *do not even think about*
>trying to configure WinXP to your old tried & Tested ways

I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.
>
>You are probably getting all sorts of popups due to the preinstalled
>junk that comes with your new PC

(-:
>
>"koonaone" <koonaone(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4a0a762f-
>9396-4fd9-aae3-3b063abeb233(a)v34g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> OK I'm on page 4 of: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articlei
>>d=1477&page=4
>> and am getting lots of what I need. keep it coming
>>
>> douglas
>>
>> koonaone wrote:
>>> Hi Folks
>>>
>>> I'm a DOS man, circa 88 or so, migrated through GeoWorks, w 3, 95, to
>>> 98, where I have been more or less happy for many years. I never made
>>> the W 2000, NT, jump so I'm in deep waters now I'm into XP sp3.

I'm much the same - stayed with '98 until last year sometime, and moved
to XP - deliberately, as I feel XP is where '98 had got to (i. e.
Microsoft wanting it to die, but lots of people know how to cuff it, as
you put it).
>>>
>>> Now I have 2, Acer aspire's, @1.6Gb ram, running OS Win XP he 2002
>>> sp3. Looking at the directories as the machine comes from the box is

(I take it "he 2002" means "home"?)
[]
>>> I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default applications
>>> around to my way of thinking but the machine does things it's own darn

It does, doesn't it! Do you at least have a C: and a D: partition
(whether on two actual discs or just one)? I'd say that's the first
thing to do, so you can keep data separate from the OS and software.
(But not something you can do with XP on its own - you need a third
party utility. Partition Manager is good, but not free; there are good
free ones.)

>>> way. I should add that my hobby is trying out new utilities and
>>> applications so I'm not a complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they
>>> properly go etc. but XP I know zilch about.
>>>
>>> My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise) reference that
>>> compares the layout and logic of the 2 systems yet.

Sounds like it would be a useful reference!
>>>
>>> It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained when it comes
>>> to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just fine in 98. Well there is
>>> skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and well..... hmmm.
>>>
>>> If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will appreciate it
>>> very much. Just as an afternote, it looks like a nice quiet useful
>>> group here, congrats.

Yes, agreed.
>>>
>>> yours
>>>
>>> douglas
>>>
>>> ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that has
>>> functionality not found anywhere else.
>
I still use XTGOLD for the same reason.
--
J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking
employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at
http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.tif (2-sheet TIFF)!

I haven't lost my mind; I have a tape back-up somewhere.
From: koonaone on 28 Mar 2010 08:34
Thanks for the reply DL and John

DL, and J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

>*do not even think about* trying to configure WinXP to your old >tried & Tested ways

>I fear he's right; they're _very_ different.

OK guys, between you and the machines themselves I've pretty well got
the message. My temptation is to leap in and use these two netbooks as
workhorses, being as they have 300 Gb storage between them, and a
flippin GiGabyte of RAM each. Cripey. I think now though with your
good advice I will tread lighter.

John, your idea of partitioning off the system files and such didn't
occurr to me, thanks, I'll do that. What I did right off was make a
lot of directories "hidden" so at least I didn'r have top look at the
mess they'd made of the C: drive. Then though I was faced with the
godaufull dogsbreakfast of the program files directory. Could they not
have made one folder for Microsoft products at least? I made my own
programs directory with accessories, bases, browsers, editors,
graphics prog subdir's all neat in a row. I have installed a few of my
favourites, but open office for instance got shanghiad and ended up
installed in the "proper" program files dir. there probably are good
reasons for that, I guess mother knows best.

First thing I did was install XYPlorerFree ver 5.55.0
[www.xyplorer.com] so I at least have a decent file manager. My first
look at XP's "find::files and folders" arrangement did not activate my
sense of humour, even the cute pup, especially the cute pup.

I like the LAN functionality so far, it took no time at all to create
a 100% clear line to my old machines and download a whack of tried and
true apps and utilities zips. All of them have been handpicked over
the years for speed and reliability and it is a delight to see how K-
Meleon 1.5.3 for instance rockets onto the screen and snaps from page
to page, must be all that RAM and 2 cpu cores or something. My good
old dialup doesn't seem any faster though.

I guess what I'll try to do, though I don't know if it's possible, is
do a remote desktop on a XP netbook, from a w98 desktop, with its nice
monitor and keyboard and periferals. Heh heh. I am working my way up
the ladder with that one. At present I can run Komposer 0.8 on the XP,
open and edit and save an html file, from any one of my old 98's. I
don't know what will happen tomorrow when I try to open firefox 3.x
which won't run on win98se (at least it won't allow itself to be
installed, there is a difference) then save a web page so that I can
then edit it with kompozer. Do I want too much from the poor little
things?

I just had a hell of a fright. John's mention, >>>> I still use
XTGOLD for the same reason. >>>> of XTGold, which I don't know about,
had me off on a google picnic tracking it down. Panic set in when I
realised this forum was gone, buried under googles, xtgolds, and ZTree
for windows pages. Then I realised I had written my reply on a sticky
note. Whew!

Well, there's light in the sky, and the chickens will like some feed.
So I'm off.

yours

douglas

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