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From: Ken Blake, MVP on 4 Jul 2010 20:17 On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt <theatreguy_dunspam_(a)miltsweb.com> wrote: > On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt > > <theatreguy_dunspam_(a)miltsweb.com> wrote: > > > >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote: > >>> Kenny > >>> > >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people > >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves. > >>> > >> > >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft? > > > > > > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true. > > There's much more garbage there than anything useful. > > > > > You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup. Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real content. And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they would quickly get bored and stop trolling. > >> Its a perfectly valid > >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7. > > > > > > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering. > > > Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through > all the noise on the forums is staggering. > > > >> At least someone is providing > >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it. > > > > > > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor. > > > > > > Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its > about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any > helpful answers? Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups. > Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its > your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives, > especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative > because that goes against what MS says. That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the decisions, not me. Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can, and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but they won't change my view simply because that's their view. I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums, I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Fort� Agent newsreader rather than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of) newsgroups. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: SC Tom on 4 Jul 2010 22:14 "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt > <theatreguy_dunspam_(a)miltsweb.com> wrote: > >> On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt >> > <theatreguy_dunspam_(a)miltsweb.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote: >> >>> Kenny >> >>> >> >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people >> >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft? >> > >> > >> > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true. >> > There's much more garbage there than anything useful. >> > >> > >> You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup. > > > Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup > recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real > content. > > And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than > being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they > would quickly get bored and stop trolling. > > >> >> Its a perfectly valid >> >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7. >> > >> > >> > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering. >> > >> Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through >> all the noise on the forums is staggering. >> > >> >> At least someone is providing >> >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it. >> > >> > >> > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor. >> > >> > >> >> Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its >> about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any >> helpful answers? > > > Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and > that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's > changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups. > > >> Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its >> your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives, >> especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative >> because that goes against what MS says. > > > That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather > than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but > as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad > mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based > forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested > in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the > decisions, not me. > > Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an > MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can, > and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of > what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but > they won't change my view simply because that's their view. > > I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old > still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the > alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums, > I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Fort� Agent newsreader rather > than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it > takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of) > newsgroups. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 > Please Reply to the Newsgroup Well said, Ken. -- SC Tom
From: milt on 5 Jul 2010 11:07 On 7/4/2010 4:51 PM, Unknown wrote: > My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for > it? When talking bandwidth, it was probably cheaper to run the NNTP server then it would be to run the forums on their webserver. More graphics and such on the website, more data transferred.
From: Ken Blake, MVP on 5 Jul 2010 12:55 On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc(a)tom.net> wrote: > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk(a)4ax.com... > > Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an > > MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can, > > and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of > > what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but > > they won't change my view simply because that's their view. > > > > I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old > > still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the > > alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums, > > I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Fort� Agent newsreader rather > > than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it > > takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of) > > newsgroups. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > > Well said, Ken. Thanks very much, Tom. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: apistomaster(nospam) on 5 Jul 2010 13:35 The Microsoft Windows 7 forum is awful by any measure. I don't know anything about the monkey business that occurs onWin7 newsgroup but I have never been disappointed in the large amount of the Ha Ha Herman games played on this newsgroup but I have gleaned much useful information by lurking here for years, Never did get around to setting up my news reader as someone usually points out because I use the web interface but I don't post often and this is the only news group I signed on for. The Official Microsoft Windows 7 forum is dissected into so many subforums and I have never found the answers I was seeking when I have tried it, You will sometimes see a Microsoft employee(presumably there on Microsoft's design) really help. If someone has a problem which is likely due to a flaw in Win 7 they never admit it. They usually cause that thread to "dry up". Not exactly locked just rendered meaningless. I guess that is what automatic updates from Microsoft are for? Another Windows 7 forum exists but is not sponsored by Microsoft. It seems to be subsidized by registry cleaning software makers. It it even more useless than the official forum. On the positive side, Windows 7 seems to be(at least for me) a pretty trouble free version of Windows. I have 2 new Win 7 Home Premium equipped laptops and one which is a XP Home Media edition. I am surprised how often I have been able to chew my way out of any paper bags Win 7 has put me in by my own devices. Often that is because of ideas I have absorbed from this XP newsgroup(how to solve problems is one of the greatest benefits of this news group), found an answer on Google or from David Pogue's book, Windows 7 Home Premium, the Missing Manual. I recommend that book over the Win 7 forums for those who still read books. I read a report about a study done comparing electronic readers like Kindle and actual books. The conclusion: Actual books are read at 10% faster rates than readers(virtual books). Trivia of the day.
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