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From: Rob Nicholson on 17 Oct 2007 06:48

"Rob Nicholson" <informed(a)community.nospam> wrote in message
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>> I'm still going to suspect it's GMail's POP3 implementation that's at
>> fault.
>
> Realising I'm talking to myself but I suspect that WM6 and GMail are
> incompatible with each other due to the way both of them works with GMail
> probably been the non-standard implementation.
>
> With POP3, deleting of messages off the server is the remit of the POP3
> email client. Outlook, for example, has an option to leave email on the
> server. This controls whether the POP3 client issues the DELE command (to
> delete the email) or not.
>
> GMail is non-standard in that it effectively *deletes* the email itself
> when it has been retrieved whether or not the POP3 client issues the DELE
> command.
>
> Even if you change GMail's setting to "Leave a copy in the inbox", it
> knows it has been retrieved and therefore when the POP3 client next
> queries the list of messages, anything previously downloaded is not
> returned.
>
> Quite why Google felt they had to re-interpret the POP3 standard is beyond
> me :-) They need to implement a fourth option in their POP3 settings that
> says "Do nothing" when the message is retrieved. They also probably need
> to respond correctly to the DELE command as if you have the setting on
> "Leave copy in inbox", it doesn't matter how many times the POP3 client
> tries to DELE it, it stays there. Actually, the POP3 client doesn't get to
> know about it ever again after it's been downloaded.
>
> So the net effect is that once a WM6 device downloads it, the email is
> lost to any other POP3 client like your copy of Outlook at home.
>
> So don't use WM6 email with GMail POP3...
>
> Rob.
>


From: Rob Nicholson on 17 Oct 2007 06:53
> So don't use WM6 email with GMail POP3...

My workaround was to set-up another email account with my normal internet
provider (Virgin Media/NTL) and configure GMail to forward any incoming
email to this account.

I then configured a new email account on WM6 to collection from
pop3.ntlworld.com (using NTL username & password) but send
smtp.googlemail.com (using my Google username and password plus SSL
encryption). I can't use NTL's SMTP server for sending as STMP servers only
typically allow access when you are connected via their internet connection.
Google's can be used from any ISP.

The NTL POP3 server behaves itself and works as expected. It does mean that
I have to delete emails off both my WM6 device and from home but that's a
small price to pay.

Cheers, Rob.


From: "Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices]" on 17 Oct 2007 08:50
I've often elaborated on this Gmail-specific bug in my articles / posts. See
for example http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51900 for
a clean solution.

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Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Rob Nicholson" <informed(a)community.nospam> wrote in message
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> This is mad!! I've got my HTC S710 configured to download my Google Mail
> (via wireless). I've just forwarded three emails, the 1st with an Excel
> document, the 2nd with a PowerPoint document and the 3rd with a Word
> document.
>
> The Excel email is small enough (<50k) to download. The PowerPoint and
> Word emails are >50k and therefore when you open them you have to check
> the "Download attachments" and then manually trigger a send/receive (or
> wait for the next automatic sync period).
>
> The attachments download fine, can be opened and viewed on screen.
>
> HOWEVER, once they've been downloaded, WM6 *deletes* the copy from the
> Gmail POP3 server. It shouldn't do this at all - ever!! The only time
> email is deleted from the server should be when Outlook downloads it at
> home. This appears to work except when you manually download the
> attachments.
>
> The problem is that Gmail on mobiles is configured to also delete the
> local copy if it's disappeared off the server.
>
> So what happens is:
>
> 1. Email downloads without attachment - copy stays on server
> 2. Manual download of attachment occurs - deletes copy off server
> 3. Automatic re-sync occurs a shortwhile later and DELETES COPY OFF THE
> MOBILE
>
> So the email is effectively lost at this point. Of course, GMail is really
> handy as it keeps all your emails for you so I've not lost anything as
> such but you have to remember it was there and go searching for it.
>
> Sounds like a big bug to me...
>
> Cheers, Rob.
>


From: Rob Nicholson on 18 Oct 2007 14:15
> I've often elaborated on this Gmail-specific bug in my articles / posts.
> See for example
> http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51900 for a clean
> solution.

Glad it wasn't just me!! I've just found that "recent" solution offered by
GMail which looks like just the ticket.

Cheers, Rob.


From: "Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices]" on 19 Oct 2007 05:17
BTW, there is another solution: use the Gmail MIDlet. It's EXCELLENT and far
better than anything else on your Pocket PC.

See my forthcoming MIDlet Bible, where I also elaborate on it. In the
meantime, see for example
http://www.modaco.com/content/Windows-Mobile-News/260559/GMail-Java-application-updated-to-version-1-5/ ,
paying SPECIAL attention to my compatibility remarks (that is: do NOT
install it under TAO or Esmerted Jeodek)

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--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Rob Nicholson" <informed(a)community.nospam> wrote in message
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>> I've often elaborated on this Gmail-specific bug in my articles / posts.
>> See for example
>> http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51900 for a clean
>> solution.
>
> Glad it wasn't just me!! I've just found that "recent" solution offered by
> GMail which looks like just the ticket.
>
> Cheers, Rob.
>


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